Well last night's Christmas party was interesting. It was at my brother in law's house, him and his wife have always been Catholics. He HATES the current Pope, by the way and don't mind saying so. There were Methodists there, mostly staying away from the libertarians, as they are of the liberal persuasion. There were Trinitarian Pentecostals there, and there were Oneness Pentecos
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Besides, I don't know who Rick's daddy was.
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The royal blood comes from Marilyn. She became the queen when she married the apostle to the Kingdom. The way I figure it, Marilyn was the main figure of the Walk when it was known that she "bonded" with JRS. I think it was Gary marrying up rather than the other way around. Also you gotta figure that people do reap what they have sown. If Gary Hargrave toppled as many ministries
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The way I see it, Gary have to enjoy a little bit of karma, he might be ousted out by Rick, you have to remember that in Rick's veins flows royal blood. changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kBOY Wrote: > > The mediating force of the ‘holy trinity’ > > has left the scene, leaving only a > > party of two with conflict
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I tried to post this but the forum would not take it, for me it blocks things too fast thinking a hacker is at large. But maybe it will take this now. I haven't gotten the moderator's book yet, he might have talked about this in the book but I think someone should investigate how many people that were once in cults or are subject to join them are people from dysfunctional homes. I have
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I thought about it right after I posted the above. I did not mean to suggest that people from my region of the country were smarter than others, I meant to say that people here are simply more rebellious. In the Walk being submissive was the trait most considered good in an individual. I never accepted that. To me it always seemed funny that being submissive is the most important trait of a Walk
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I wish someone would do a study of how many people in cults have been raised in dysfunctional homes, such as how many are adult children of alcoholics, how many people in cults are co-dependent, whatever. I know that I was raised like this. I also know that my friend was raised in a broken home with no father around, and he is very strongly convinced that John Robert Stevens is his "spiritua
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Pbxguy I know of a situation in a friends church where a lady in the church kept getting bruises, like black eyes, and she sought counsel from the pastors and all that, and she was told NOT TO DIVORCE him. Well, guess what, he finally killed her. My wife and me are considering annulment. In fact, last night we agreed amiably. Everybody was happy with it. But, she did call back in thirty minute
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I am taking a break from Christmas now, I know that sounds crazy but what the hell. it is what it is. I have made amends with family members, as far as I am concerned I decided this Christmas have made up my mind to forgive. It might offend some reading here, but I have made this step by the Grace of God. It's a very freeing thing, to forgive. I might even call LWF and wish them a merr
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OK, I am taking a break here and this time it is for sure. I am taking a little siesta till after Christmas. So you all have a merry Christmas. And NO, I am not heading out to do the ole curse Santa Claus routine, although I hope you all will consider it for next Christmas. That would be a great combination to have the second generation blowouts involved too. But that is for another time. God
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One thing I am wondering about. I don't know how much of the word that John brought is good and how much is not, but if they have really been interested in preserving that word for somebody, what about a youtube account and publish it that way? They have always had the mindset up till now that only a few special people could handle that word. Why not put it out there and see how it is accept
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I guess it is possible that JRS just didn’t see what was going on under him. I know for sure that often the things that he taught was twisted up in the minds of those that heard the messages and by the time those ideas were played out in the body they were totally wrong. I don’t know why JRS didn’t know that, and if he did know it why he didn’t do something about it. But that is the way it w
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TheBibleIsRight, I think you perceived a pretty glowing red flag and got out of there at the right time. It is really sad that no doubt, lots of your friends probably stayed. That's the way it was when I left my cult. Lots of people that I thought would know better, didn't seem to know better and they stayed. TheBibleIsRight Wrote: -------------------------------------------------
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I think there might be some things that are legitimate in the teachings of John Robert Stevens. I don't have any tapes to listen to now, since a member of our church stole all of our tapes, (hell I didn't really care, and don't now,) but I would like to compare some of them to the bible if I had some. I have compared the few I have listened to from the web sites and there are some
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I hope I get the Godwin's law award, or, maybe a Hitler youth knife. Early on I did see the similarity between the more ravenous intercession sessions to some of the old black and white Hitler speeches and the mindless cheers from the audience. The militant hatred of Christianity (Babylon) in favor of John worship. One thing I did learn when I was finally out of there, that I would never
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I remember a phase the Walk went through, or at least among the ones that I knew, where they thought that it was being soulish, or not spiritual if they showed any compassion, pity, remorse, or any other emotion. That was a trip there. I don't know if that is something that went on all over the thing, but it sure did happen around me. Or, it could have been that they were all just naturally
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The reason that I compare the members of the Walk to Nazis is that Nazis had the same belief in their superiority to others that were not of their party. The Walk members believed that they and only they were the chosen ones, they believed that those that followed John Stevens were going to become immortal and rule the world. Anyone that questioned Hitler were imediatley and permanently shut out,
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I won't join any church again either. But then I never formerly joined the Living Word Fellowship. My own opinion about the whole mess, is I think whole thing should have closed up and everybody go their separate ways when John Stevens died. The only thing that would be better than it just ending there, is if it had never begun in the first place. I think the whole thing was a flop.
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I am sorry that I still have so much emotional baggage and anger against JRS. There were good things I am positive about him, and if he had remained in a church system that had some checks and balances, where he was not free to build for himself a kingdom, with yes men stationed around him to always praise his every thought and word, then he could have been a positive force in the lives of millio
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That is interesting. I didn't know that JRS ever set in any females. I wonder about those three you mentioned, I don't know any of them, were they all three part of his entourage, I wonder what his thinking was, what the motivation was behind him setting them in, because I wonder what his motivation was for setting anybody in, other than they knew how to puff up his constant need for a
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I think one of the things that makes people open to deception is the charismatic principle that certain people speak "under the anointing" either sometimes, or, as in the case of a leader such as JRS, all the time. With people that follow that thinking, they don't just consider what is spoken as to be true or false, right or wrong, or partially true. They just take whatever is sai
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BTW, welcome to the forum The Sarge. I am enjoying reading your posts.
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I saw the Tony Cox video. Some of it was right but there was some of it that was just plain hype. For instance, Cox said that the elders were ordered to have sex with women in the fellowship, ordered by JRS. That was pure crap. And also he said that JRS had his pick of any woman that he wanted. That was absolute garbage. This guy hinted that the women in Living Word Fellowship were prone to be
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I think all of old codger walkites should line up on the streets this year when the Christmas truck drives by and start screaming " WE JUST CURSE THIS CHRISTMAS SPIRT, WE REBUKE SANTA CLAUS WE CAST RUDOLPH INTO THE PIT!!!!!!!!"
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Well, I guess the word about "bringing forth the Kingdom of God" is not in the Logos department, it must be in the BOGUS section. You all had a while to take me up on my offer, but nobody came up with anything out of the bible. Another RHEMA, LIVING WORD shot down.
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Well I guess at least maybe the ministers will have at least some education in the Living Word Fellowship, that is a step in the right direction, as long as that education is not just learning more living word mumbo-jumbo, especially how to show their kiss-up-ability. I really don't give that much credence to any churches particular theology school program, they all created to push the agen
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It would seem to me that if the head honcho (now) of the Living Word Fellowship got his degree from whatever place, then it would good enough for the rest of the church to get their degree from the same place. What I am getting at, is I would bet a nichol that a degree from Shiloh University costs more than the one that Gary Hargrave paid for. I just get that feeling, and it might be done with st
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I really wish that somebody that is in the Living Word Fellowship right now, would just do a google search, or find it in the bible, anything at all about any church "bringing forth the Kingdom of God." If you find it, show us where it is. If it is in there, tell us how you intend to do that, I assume you will accomplish that feat by doing what you have already been doing all of these d
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I don't think I am going to try to talk any of the current members of LWF into bugging out of their church. I do like the idea of the people that read here that are still affiliated will learn about the reality of the evolution of the church though. That basically is why I got involved with this forum. I wanted to know sort out what I still believed and what really should never have been acc
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This article says it better then the old Apostle to the Dogs can say it. I know you can't just punch on the link, just google "WARNING Signs of Spiritual Abuse, Part 2." Warning Signs of Spiritual Abuse, Part II: Spiritual Life in God We must watch for the warning signs that spiritual abuse is occuring. The confrontations ... A healthy church will exude the attitude describ
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