Well there is one thing for sure, I know that JRS was not all that we might have thought he was, but he was no slouch in many ways. I know that he did lots of good things, I do not think of him as evil, unlike the way I feel about Marilyn and Gary. I do believe they are nothing but evil, and have had their heart on nothing but evil the whole time. But having said that, John Stevens, if he did say
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I read about it on this forum and i am not sure if I read it in the Fact net or heard it somewhere else. I felt like it was something that he did say, although most of the time it seems his idea was that he was to break into resurection life, it does seem that he did make a dire prediction that a younger man would take over if he did die and that man would be abusive and beat down the people. I a
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I can't fathom what they see in the WALK now days. When I was in it JRS was one hell of a bull$h!tter, as I said, he either had conned himself, or he was deceived by the devil, or he was a first class deceiver himself. I like to think he was a pretty good guy but he was so stuck on himself and needed to be the praised to the point that he took advantage of the drug addled space cadets that
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Two things come to my mind. One, I know that one of the main evidence of insanity, or is it just stupidity, is for people to do the same thing, year after year, decade after decade, and expect a different result to come about. Another thought that comes to mind, about the "vision" and all of that, Jesus said "MY sheep hear MY voice, and a STRANGER, they will not follow. We all
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There have always been a lot of really nice people with Living Word Fellowship. Good people that fell pray to abuse because they were conned into thinking that to obey those ministers they were obeying God. Well, God never put those "ministers" in the place of boss over His people. A minister is to do just what the word implies, they are to serve God's people. By serving them, that
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KD87,,,you said : Hi Friends. I was a child in the walk, in Redlands mostly, in the late 70s (starting with Fallbrook) and early 80s. As bratty, rebellious teenager, I one day refused to go to church again. I was just thinking about that, and I got to laughing. I was a bratty, rebellious, womanizing, doper, drunk, THIRTY YEAR OLD, so naturally, you know what they did, they set me the mi
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Below in the website "THE TEACHINGS OF JOHN ROBERT STEVENS" you will see a way to turn on this tape called AND THE WORD WAS GOD. lISTEN TO IT CAREFULLY. JOHN ROBERT STEVENS SAID and with his twisted logic to untrained basically children that HIS WORDS WAS GOD SPEAKING. I am serious. Below is the name of the video. It proves that JRS was either a deceived man himself, or he was a dece
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I think I brought this up before. But there are a couple of messages by John Robert Stevens, I'll try when I have time to show you exactly which living word site and the names, but one of the messages I know for certain that John Stevens either intentionally twisted everything to SEEMINGLY prove that HIS WORDS the LIVING WORD was in fact the words of God. I said what you think I said. He ei
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Well, I don't know why it still seems important to me to know how to feel about some of these old guys, like in my last post I said that about JRS, actually, i can't judge anybody, because if the world would have been better if JRS had been aborted, it certainly would be better had I been aborted too. All in all, JRS was just a guy, and he should have always realize that. Jesus Chris
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Thanks for the post, that makes me feel good. I have mixed feeling about John Robert Stevens. I do think all in all, he was a pretty good pastor. that's it though, I do not think he was supposed to be any door opener to resurection life or whatever of all that. I think he got the big head from all the willing worshipers, like any man would. But I do also agree that with you that he was a man
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I don't know much about the Landmark Seminars but I am familiar with a few companies that are certainly cults. I remember getting hooked up with A.L. Williams life insurance one time, they had this thing going about selling term insurance and invest the rest instead of whole life. I mean that is sound policy , but it was the way they pushed it, like it was their whole life purpose to get peo
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Sometimes I try to think that just maybe, MAYBE, it was not such a cult till JRS married the evil thing from hell and died and all that. But you know something, it has really settled in my mind, what the Walk became is the FRUIT OF A BAD TREE. I think it would have been just as well if JRS had just been aborted. changedagain Wrote: -------------------------------------------------------
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KD87 I am very glad to meet you. I am looking forward to reading your posts. Maybe you can shine some light on the things that we are all trying to figure out. I know I learn something on this forum on a regular basis. I myself was raising a house full of step kids in my Walk years. I know that they got burned out on church pretty badly. I can't say that I blame them for that. My first w
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I think the biggest mistake ever made when people started thinking of those five fold ministries mentioned in Ephesians 4 is when they got the idea that the Apostles (*much like the bishops) and the Prophets just were totally in such a high level of revelation that they could not be wrong, and that they were necessary as if the Lord Jesus Christ could not get along without them. I don't bel
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It seems to me that the number one subject of any and all sermons, tapes, this weeks the whole seven years or so I was in the WALK was exactly about the Five Fold Ministries. Thinking back, the whole time, even before Marilyn was known to be the spiritual wife and before Judas Hargrave made his move, it seems to me that was all JRS knew much about.
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Light 777, I welcome you to our little society here, You are on the right path now, and you are a vital asset to our forum. I think people are reading here, and through all the griping and healing process we go through here, there is a healing that God is delivering here, for us, and for those we don't know yet, that are struggling as well. May we be part of the solution to those in th
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If I were you i would contract Rick Ross himself, you can easily get his email address on this forum, I have talked to people that have said that he can and will help you with contacts to experts that can help. good luck.
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Sometimes I listen to these words of this song. And I think of how Samson had his DeliLA, and of course Ahab had his Jezebel, David had his temptation, and I think of John and along came Marilyn. I hope this song comes through, Cohen's Jalalujah (sorry for the spelling:
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Since I left the Walk, I discovered there is a vast number of God's people stationed out in the world doing His work. I thought when I was in the Walk, all of Christianity was basically the ones that are out to get us, the persecutors. But I will give an example that I have found in a hospital I was in at least three times in the last thirty years. The cleaning crew. I mean that, the mo
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I just was watching a video about North Korea. They were saying some of the stupidest things that the people in that country believe about their leader. For instance they believe that he has supernatural powers, they have propagandists that do nothing but make up stories about his supernatural birth etc. I was thinking, how could these people be so stupid, and then the guy doing the talking in
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I don't think either Gary Hargrave or Marilyn either one believed a dam thing John Robert Stevens taught, it was all lip service to butter him up and get his trust and then take his place, however they could swing it to make it happen.
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Well whichever is worse, the Walk or the Catholics, Gary wants to join them together.
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Yea, it really blew my mind when I suddenly got the urge to look up Vicar of Christ and I realized that is exactly what we did, deify the leader. Of course JRS hinted that there would be a thousand that would outminister him, and we played around with the idea that we all were "Christ in the Earth," but really, how well did all that work out. it evolved to the point there was "Chr
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I really wasn't comparing the Catholic church to the Walk, saying one was more or less of a cult, I was showing that the Walk did the same thing as the Catholic church in viewing their leader as perfect and infalable.
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Wow this thing must be out of order again. I know somebody must have posted something in the last few days. I will try this one more time. The reason the Walk was so messed up is they thought that the leader was Christ's representative on Earth and that he could not be wrong. Much like the Catholics view the Pope. "Vicar of Christ" is the same thing exactly as "Christ
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Vicar of Christ From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For the novel by Walter F. Murphy, see Vicar of Christ (novel). Vicar of Christ (from Latin Vicarius Christi) is the term used in different ways, with different theological connotations throughout history. As the original notion a vicar is of "earthly representative of God or Christ" but also used in sense of "person acting a
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The Great Apostasy 2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is rev
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Clourwatcher, that is a good point you made about the ultimate ecumenical move, just unite all the religions. The Pope has already said that they are all the same anyway, Gary Hargrave would go for such an Antichrist stand, has he now already proven to be anti-Christ when he and his Jezebel wife did not see the Christ in the members they kicked to the curb. Gary Hargrave is a Judas ANYWHERE
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TheSarge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've missed the antecedent to this Catholic phase > of The Walk v.3. Has that chapter on Catholcism > been removed from The First Principles or edited? > After all the other segues over the last couple of > decades, what is the facination? Yeah, yeah, same > Father, One Universal Church, yad
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Cloudwatcher, I do that all the time. I don't think there is a set amount of time before a post appears. Another thing that happens is sometimes there will be something written in red letters saying something about a hacking threat and they just wont' ever show the post, or sometimes it is hours and they show the post. it's a trip. but it is worth it, you will get used to it.
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