By the way, nice to meet you Cloudwatcher. It's always good to meet new people.
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When I was listening to Gary Hargrave kissing up to the Pope, I was thinking about how much different Hargrave is than the pope and he is talking all about how he is praying for him. If the members of Living Word Fellowship can't look at the con that Hargrave is pulling in Brazil, then they deserve for hargrave to clean out their retirement accounts. They probably have already given the de
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If any of you want to do a very quick Youtube search you will see lots of churches, LOTS that are not in if just for the money that are putting hundreds of videos out so people can freely hear what they believe to be the Word of God. If the leaders and people of the Living Word fellowship believe they have the Word of God, then they are going to have to answer for making it a "PRODUCT"
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I watched those Gary videos. I still don't get it. Gary Hargrave is boring. He is standing there telling lies, and it is obvious to anybody that has a lick of sense. And they are eating it up. I have come to the conclusion that all it takes to be a religious leader is to kiss up to a religious leader till he puts you in charge. I just had a thought. I think Hargrave will be a Catholic
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Quite possibly the video viewed by hundreds . . . > with a horrible soundtrack: > > > > (The guest of honor does not appear until the > around minute 50.) I hope somehow John Robert Stevens knows that the people that HE put in charge of the Walk are hooked up with the Catholic church. By the w
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I thought for a long time that Gary Hargrave would end up retiring in luxury among his adoring disciples in Brazil. Of course I thought the Lamp of Israel would do the same thing, but then maybe she is going to, I guess with her authority she can pretty much do whatever she wants to do.
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I intend to answer my own question. You remember I asked why Living Word Fellowship is not using modern media such as the internet to "get the word out" is because Living Word Fellowship from the beginning had no intention of "getting the word out." It has always been an exclusive club of spiritually arrogant people that liked to sit in their little closed society and point
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > PALEFACE: > > I don't know about a 'bazillion', but only in > Brazil has the G-man ever been able to address > 300+ ministers from all faiths, been a party to > welcoming the Pope, and not have to deal with the > leadership/laity weirdness found in the states. I have to wonder i
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I have a question for all the Living Word people that happen to read these posts. If the sole purpose of all the money and labor all of these years was to "get the word out," they why is Living Word not doing just that. R. D. Cronquist messages are all over Youtube right now, they are not videos but they are recorded old sermons of his, and then there is Frances Frangipane, another o
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I remember a little while after I left the Walk, there was a church that was still in for a while, and the pastor called me and told me they were now out too. What made them leave was when Gary and Marilyn supposedly had a visit from JRS in the dead of the night. So all of that is nothing new with them. Of course, that did finally wake up one church.
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One thing for sure, about the Manson Family girls, like JRS said, "God honors your submission to your shepherd, even if the shepherd is wrong, God will bless them for what they did." Just checking to see how that spiritual principle worked out for them.. what do you all think?
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There have been some specials on TV about Charles > Manson and his "family" cult. I couldn't help but > think, gosh those young women that were his > followers sure reminded me of the Blix girls from > the 70's. Same vibe. Same blind loyality. I love to watch Charles Manson�
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TheJewel thanks for that link, there are several of those "debunking" videos that are very interesting, I have watched a few of them. I think God would probably really pour His Spirit out in a great way if these charismatics would stop faking it so much. I guess pastors think that the end justifies the means, they figure that God needs a little help here and there. It's a pre
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The Jewel when you mentioned the "cold reading" parlor game, that reminds me of psychic hotlines, were you call in and you have to give your birth date, they just type it in a computer and come up with a natal horoscope and read off enough to keep somebody's interest till the bank account is empty. They didn't use that method did they?
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I guess the Walk might have lost the apostles and prophets, after all, when Marilyn was the honcho with Gary as her helpmate, they called themselves the "founding pastors" of the group. I guess they were the founders of the Walk the sequel, it was certainly a totally new experience after JRS died. Doesn't really matter though what you call them, whoever is in charge is considered d
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Glen Oswald, that was the name that was right on the tip of my tongue. I used to hear his name a lot, but I never met him. I think I MIGHT have met Vere Thomas, I know I met Bill Maybe, we got along really good, we would bump into one another in Shiloh. He is the guy that was talking with me at the front entrance of Shiloh and the pig walked right up to us. Bill made a remark about pigs being co
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Someone asked me what is the short cut when I want to google the Living Word Fellowship,,,, I thought for a second, then i had it, I said: Oh,,,,cult
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The thing that is really funny to me is how people think there was a system of rank in the early church. They assume that just because apostles are mentioned first, they were way higher rank than teachers that are mentioned last. After all, in most churches that is all a lowly woman can be is a Sunday School teacher. But think about it, when apostles traveled somewhere to teach in one of the ch
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TheJewel said: "All in all I was happy because RD scared the crap out of me. I always thought he was a few cards short of a full deck anyway." I think that would sum up the way I felt about all of the Living Word leadership. Even low level cult "leaders" like myself. I recall my first wife telling me "Apostle Dog, you have just enough revelation to be dangerous.&quo
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LampShmamp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > "Who are the LW apostles these days?" paleface--I > am also curious. In addition to "these days," can > anyone offer up a list of all apostles spawned in > the walk from day one? Stevens was one, I think > Cronquist was. Who else? And do you think > Cronquist was
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I have heard just a few of the messages by JRS lately, and they are pretty easy in hind site to pick out how he crafted the messages to prove a pre-conceived idea that he had about himself. I think he skillfully wove the illusion, perhaps not to deceive us, but to deceive himself. It really didn't take much to mislead a bunch of misfits that thought they knew everything.
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I just am not all that sure that John lived on such a high spiritual plane after all.
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I agree. I think Hargrave is going to accumulate as much wealth as he can squeeze out of the last thousand or so members and move down to South America. He could live well down there, have a few dozen house slaves, live in a mansion. He could call for a special offering, tell them he wants a cool million above what he has now. They will give it to him. Then they can turn their attention to Rick
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I would not be surprised if this "third anointing" they are talking about might consist of hooking up with other Latter Rain, third wave people. I don't think it would hurt them in the least, in fact, pretty much anything that would unite the Walk with anybody outside their doors would probably be good for them, in comparison to what they much come up with on their own. I think th
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I think the Living Word pretty much was a lost cause to begin with. Now it is just a typical charismatic church. There was some sort of vision to it in the beginning, as misguided as that might have been. But now, there isn't much to it. I have read some of their comments on their facebook page. All you hear out of them is they are going to "bring forth the Kingdom" or some crap. L
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I think it is OK for someone, even someone married to decide who to get their property, it does not necessarily go to the mate. I know that in the case of my first marriage my wife gave some property to our son. Of course, in that case I did not protest it in any way, but I still think it is OK to do that. In the case of a church, I believe that in most States anyway, the sale of church proper
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I am the one that posted that I had read on one of the forums, and it could not have been but this one or the FactNet one that the money from the sale of that church went into Marilyn's trust fund. However, do understand that I read that, that makes it here say so it would not stand up in court. That is the reason I asked more questions about it, but nobody knows. Supposedly Gary Hargrave
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I could just imagine the elders meeting, discussing the lady at Golden Threads, Elder 1: "She is about worn out, she doesn't enter the intercession enouth" Elder 2: "She has a religious spirit" Pastor : "Let's just get to the point here, she won't put out, PUT HER OUT"
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Well, while I would be interested to know how that article ended, I probably already know how it went. let me guess, in case anybody pays to read the end of the article, I imagine the mother worked her buns off at Golden Threads for WAAAAYYY below minimum wage and got moved on by the pastor and a few elders, and ended up getting booted out of the church for being a nephilim.
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Rick probably already got a huge amount of money and or property when his mother died. No doubt she had a will, and it don't automatically go to the husband, if there is a will. He is probably a multimillionaire right now. So any of you current members can rest assured that your tithe money is going to a good cause. There might be a whole fleet of Christmas trucks next year.
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