changedagain wrote on 02\04\2014: “The god revealed in the "living word", especially post-John, is at best a sociopath.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It’s true. Talk about light versus darkness: Contrast the friendly, easy going, “playful personality” described on the road to Emmaus “Luke 24:13-32.” And, Hebrews 1:3 says this is the exact same nature of the Great Creator Father of bot
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Does anybody know what happened to Ralph Hagloch? We climbed 9000 plus foot Mount Olympus here in Salt Lake City. He was crazy. He was stuck on a ledge and we threw him a rope on which he swung out over a 200 foot drop to a better situation. Good times.
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I mentioned my hippie tendencies back in the Chico Camp days. I was thinking about the “control freaks” that ‘changedagain’ brought up and also ‘larry bobo’ talking about the “evil” smokers (it’s hard to go there!). Those days were good times in my life; free, anointed and fun. So, what changed? In my American Baptist upbringing, there was very little Bible reading. I played sports, went t
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changedagain wrote: “Control freaks took over--and sucked the joy and spontaneity out of the fellowship.” paleface wrote: “They need all the people they can get now.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Their recruiting efforts are doomed until they change: Who are you most likely to admire and love? ----- The most loving person or the most powerful? ----- A good shepherd or a king?
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I do not remember anything about designated relationships during the Chico Camp. I do remember myself and a couple of single male friends looking to designate our own relationship with some “hot” girls at the camp. Sue Wachter (wrong spelling & confused name & hard to remember) seemed to be getting a lot of attention from my friend. I remember being hungry and brother Williams (legen
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paleface wrote: “They need all the people they can get now.” ~~~~~~~~~ Are they accepting “free spirited individuals,” who refuse to submit, agree or pay homage; but are willing to pay tithes strictly for the group social benefits? (Like most normal churches) I went to the church camp in Chico, CA back in the 1970’s. There were many crazy, diverse people in the “Walk” in those days.
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Hebrews 1:3 NASB --- “He (Jesus) is the radiance of His (The Father’s) glory and the exact representation of His (The Father’s) nature.” ~~~~~~~~~~ Jesus is the perfect example of how to live, not entrusting Himself to anything/anyone on earth. (Best to obey the laws of the land in order to stay out of prison although)-------anyway, living your life independently, following/experienc
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Mark 10:18 --- “And Jesus said to Him, Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.” John 2:24 --- “But Jesus on His part, was not entrusting Himself to them, for He knew all men, and He did not need any one to bear witness concerning man for He Himself knew what was in man.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Overthrow the cults, entrust yourself to none of the following: (apostles, prop
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Invisible wrote: “John 2:24 But Jesus on His part, was not entrusting Himself to them, for He knew all men, and He did not need any one to bear witness concerning man for He Himself knew what was in man.” & “Jeremiah 17:5 Thus says the Lord, Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind, And makes flesh His strength, And whose heart turns away from the Lord.” & “And I was surpris
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I love your posts Invisible. You’re a true scriptorian and what you posted is absolutely true. Blasphemy: “To Be A Christian” in my opinion, is the foundational tool of conscription for the legalistic, oppressive way of life existing today in the TLWF. Trying to save yourself, through extreme works of submission, duty, sacrifice, servitude, self-denial, mental denial, all kinds of denia
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Mel Bailey passed away recently. He was a pastor at the Church of His Holy Presence in Anaheim. He worked to support himself until the day he died (mid to late 80’s in age I was told). 90/10 rule, trickle down (not), always upward whatever ------ the goods always stay at the top.
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Dear paleface, As a “truth seeker” I was not in the least offended by your post. You could have said, “Religion was invented so the homely woman could get a man.” History indicates a time when women had control of everything. What offends me the most, is that my worst, “s...hty” experiences have come from dealings with Christians. (except for my mom & dad & siblings) Why is Je
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Paleface wrote: ~~~~~~~~~ It’s true. In addition to women; goods and services provided by the believing minions.
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Invisible wrote: “what you see taking place - may not always be - what is really taking place.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ larrry bobo wrote: “He got crossways with Apco and was out the door like many before him.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ paleface wrote: “Many members stay in the fellowship because they have been programmed to believe that their lives would be empty and hollow if they were not in "the upward
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I believe I met Mike Wood during some feast meetings held in Grand Junction/Whitewater, Colorado in the early 1980’s. Paleface wrote: “I can't help but think they would be alive today, if they hadn't been exposed to the insane LW doctrines.” I concur: Can it get any worse? Induced suicides are at the top when it comes to damning evidence for bad fruit. That “Good Will
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From the internet: “To Be A Christian” is an excerpt from To Every Man That Asketh, pp. 13-14: Copyright © 1959 by John Robert Stevens, revised 1971 by The Living Word. All rights reserved. JRS: “To be a Christian, as I understand Christ, means…………” ------------- It cannot be said any plainer, “as I understand Christ,” means John’s understanding. “To be a Christian” is im
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Invisible wrote: “I believe those messages John brought helped lay the foundation of the churches thinking so that all were taught to respect and revere God in the choices of God among us, in serving God with one another, as a body of believers in Christ.” “The stories John expounded on, out of the O.T. were about the choices of God standing.” “So you can understand how TLWF has also
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Quote changedagain: “Which reminds me...I'm sorry I blamed you for John's death. I don't think you were totally responsible.” ----------------- I’m guilty. If only I had gone ahead with that necessary lobotomy; none of this would have happened.
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Edit: Please change "unexplainable" to "inexplicable" in the above post. Thank you. Sorry.
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Any ideas on how to get Pope Francis to read these posts?
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Invisible Your last post is great. The more I learn about what has taken place, the more solidified my feelings become about being gone! My initial reaction to your last post was, “If I could talk to some university professor in the field of insect behavior, he/she could identify what you described as being such and such, perhaps bee hives, ant hills, or termite colonies." Existenc
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Dear Invisible, jhorning wrote on 12/18/13: “Given enough time the things that are not from the Father eventually fade away.” ---------------- I hope you live long enough to see all your real/true family relationships completely restored; and if not, in the next better place.
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How to get rich: Start a church; proclaim absolute submission and surrender to God; secretly retain ownership rights---(dumb sheep pay no mind anyway) and………Cha-Ching, Cha-Ching, Cha-Ching. I am wiser now. Knock on wood.
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JRS retained ownership rights during his lifetime. Gary & Marilyn are doing the same thing. The great hallmark and lofty standard proclaimed is: “The acceptance of the authority of Jesus in all my life.” ---yet--- these ownership rights are still on the books; perfectly legal. larry bobo wrote: “It’s always fascinated me how the leaders of these various groups that hand out “words fr
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Quote Invisible: “What an awakening I had about the Sale of the Southgate Church . People go to church and they get the idea that the church is theirs and the people can become deeply emotionally and mentally attached to this idea - thinking of the church as being theirs - but it really is owned by the people who sign their name on the dotted line, it belongs to the one who is legally responsi
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The above posts are so enlightening. Thank You. This forum is great. One of the first pamphlets I read after getting introduced to the “Walk” was “To be a Christian.” It was impressive and compelling. My question is this: JRS, Gary & Marilyn did/are doing so well (wealth, honor, power, attitude), whereas so many dedicated others have been disappointed, ruined, crushed and disillusio
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Quote Invisible: “The member was told in no uncertain terms that it was Marilyn's money and that the money from the sale of the property was put into the Marilyn trust fund.” -------------------------------------------------------------------- I suspect the “good chunk of change” from the sale of the Salt Lake City Church went into the same account. I slaved away in a blue-collar j
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larry bobo wrote: “I was basically placed in quarantine until I learned not to question authority." paleface wrote: “Does the shepherding position in the LW attract those that enjoy being a bully to sheep? I think so. This certainly can't be the heart of God.” changedagain wrote: “In my case, I was demoted from a shepherd.” & “Not allow me to speak in services.” ----
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larry bobo wrote: “John would not have died except for the rebellion of his sons.” In other words, “It was your fault, not mine – I’m infallible”. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I have lived in Salt Lake City all my life. Over the years I’ve attended a dozen or so LDS (Mormon) viewings/funerals. Not one time has anybody been angered or even expres
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Prayer Wars: Our Father in Heaven, please do not allow the TLWF to have special control over United States Elections or any other nations for that matter. Their cultic track record indicates a self-serving treachery against those they deem suspect/enemies. Please remain in control Yourself; sending both the sunshine and rain so impartially upon all. You alone are able to protect the freed
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