When the “Great Boss in the Sky” finally takes over, then we’ll have a boss who is not bossy.
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Quote jhorning on May 11, 2014 07:05 AM: “People had/have the right to choose or reject teaching(s) that go beyond what Christ taught.” I remember larry bobo saying the same thing in some previous posts on this forum. ---------------------------------------------------- Strongs Concordance: Obey, Obedient, Obeyed, Obeying, Obeyeth, Obeisance. Amazing, I can’t find any references t
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T0: jhorning FM: FCSLC RE: My Reply The Christian friends I am referring to are Mormon. I admire their tenacity and ability to defend themselves against personal attack. They were taught the doctrine of “Free Agency” from the time they were babies. They cherish their “Free Agency.” They do not allow anyone to mess with it. It’s in their very nature to fight for what is right. The
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Paleface wrote: Am I the only one that notices this? No. The sheep are trained from the nursery on up. Remember the teaching where you spank the crying babies until they stop crying?? -------- no bitching, moaning or protesting, just suck it up and live with injustice all your life. We were trained to be submissive dogs in all situations. I have other Christian friends in my workplace
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Been gone from the “Walk” nearly 29 years now and haven’t set foot in any church since. I don’t miss the “Overlord Shepherding” at all, and since there is no one controlling my actions anymore, I basically keep the laws of the land, follow normal Christian/Biblical Conduct and live as a normal American Citizen. The anxieties of church membership are gone---------thank God. With the turmoil
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changedagain wrote: I've spent close to 30 years trying to prevent my old nature from horning into my most meaningful relationships, to little effect. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It will be 39 years for me this summer, same outcome. More to the point ------ No, I should say back on track with corboy and jhorning: Old nature or new, I welcome any paranormal or transcendent experience th
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corboy A very prudent and wise answer ------ thank you. corboy wrote: I have had a few peak experiences that fall into the categories you describe. Good; we are not special or unique-----------I’m thinking everyone on earth has “transcendent experiences.” No one has a monopoly --- (unless you let them) --- on that which is free for all and free to all; it’s one of those unalienable “se
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corboy I’ve made it through page two of “Social Commute -- How Much will a Group Ask of You?” It’s exhaustive to say the least. I need to take notes because I start getting lost in all the information. In the light of all your research, what is your opinion concerning occasional, not forced, independent, for free, non cult affiliated, non drug induced, all natural "transcendent exp
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TO: corboy FM: FCSLC RE: Cold Reading & Barnum Effect Thank you. I will investigate these with great interest. I'm especially interested in any tricks used to manipulate people into 'deceiving themselves' out of their own freewill, convictions and religious duty so to speak. Thanks again.
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Larry bobo wrote: “a type of New Age openness” and religions that had their roots in Babylon – the wisdom of the ancients.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you possibly referring to special tricks, observations and knowledge that allows a person to “Cold Read” another and thereby almost instantaneously establish “Replacement God Theology” over that person? To my shame, JRS became God to me.
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The Great Invisible Heavenly Father is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, benevolent and Eternal (transcending time/existence/nonexistence). Our spirits commune spirit to Spirit and vice versa in a very personal and mystical exchange with the Heavenly Father (John 3:8). Church is fun when there is mutual respect for each member’s eminence. Each member’s dignity is rooted in their own indiv
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Larry bobo wrote: To belittle “God in the sky” by saying you must have a spiritual father in the flesh, implying your Father in heaven is inadequate, and to also dishonor your parents by allowing another to take their place are both violations of the kingdom. Every parent that has children in TLWF knows the destructive impact this group has had on their families. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I
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The above posts are great. I was shunned by the LW Shepherds in Salt Lake City. This forum has reversed that shunning. I’m so grateful to be gone--------escaping Hell is good.
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Finding some comfort in numbers. Unchurched Believers Internet sites are referencing surveys that estimate there could be as many as one hundred million unchurched believers. One hundred million people falling into the “Whosoever Believes Category” who are not entrusting themselves to the “War Zone” found in many contemporary churches. These are the ones you can sometimes have a meani
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From WikipediA: In Christian churches, a minister is someone who is authorized by a church or religious organization to perform functions such as teaching of beliefs; leading services such as weddings, baptisms or funerals; or otherwise providing spiritual guidance to the community. The term is taken from Latin minister "servant, attendant". I actually hate the term, “minister”. Ev
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changedagain wrote: “No surprise--the perpetrators often position themselves as victims.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The above has the potential to rival “Breaking Bad.” (My wife and I just finished season 5 on NetFlix) Paleface posted on 02/22/2014 01:50am: “Where is this all headed?” Good Question. I know of some good hideouts in the Great Salt Lake Desert Area if necessary.
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I read somewhere in my Upanishad Volumes Collection the following: “Karma will pursue a soul across the universe, even after they have passed away on Earth.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The One and Only Begotten Son Of God (Jesus) never had to worry about ‘Karma’ coming back upon Him. He was careful about how He acted------doing things perfectly; keeping the balance of the Spirit perfectly between
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Great Posts Above: (True & Scary) Invisible wrote: “They have become delusional. - having a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Repeat quote: ----- Jan Ruysbroeck (14th century Christian) ------“Though I have said before that we are one with God, yet now I will say that we must eternally remain other than God, and distinct from Him. And we must unders
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In the Latter Day Saint (Mormon) church, the clergy are not paid. It’s all volunteer time. That is why most of the hierarchy are independently well to do. In the American Baptist Churches, a person usually attends a divinity school and gets a degree and then becomes a paid minister. His pension comes mainly from Social Security if the contributions were paid plus any supplemental savings ac
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The posts are so informative, thanks to all. The more information, the more things become clarified, resulting in better judgment especially for me, the ‘slow’ learner. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Invisible wrote: “Gary will continue to believe it was given to him, to rule over the lives of the members of the church.” paleface wrote on 02/21/2014 1050pm: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The spirit that says
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larry bobo wrote on 02/08/14: 04:03pm: “TLWF went from a movement without leaders to one with more leaders than any movement I know of, especially with the implementation of designated relationships. ------------------------------- Mark 10:42-43 --- “Calling them to Himself, Jesus *said to them, “You know that those who are recognized as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them; and their
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Possibility: Since the Pope is meek, maybe Gary feels he can intimidate him and eventually gain domination over him, as well as the entire Catholic Church, and then be the boss of all!!
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“Animated by inner poverty” & “Do not have the psychology of princes." Mark 10:42-43 (NASB) --- “Calling them to Himself, Jesus *said to them, “You know that those who are recognized as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them; and their great men exercise authority over them. But it is not this way among you, ……..” ‘Not This Way’ among you. This Pope has been there and kno
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larry bobo wrote: “It has been my contention for some time that we should be looking at teachers like TLWF through the lens of Jesus’ words instead of Jesus’ words through the lens of teachers.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Check out John 1:18. No one else in Bible History has taught or spoke or explained from this position, from the “bosom of the Father.” Not Moses or Paul or anybody else as far as I
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It can be a sad situation when people are not allowed to grow according to their own intellectual capacities. I remember one time when we were having a Bible study that no “official shepherds” showed up. One member who had a Catholic background spoke up and said, “We cannot do a Bible study without the shepherds, the Word is ‘sealed,’ only the shepherds can ‘unseal the Bible’ and interpret it c
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TO: paleface FM: FCSLC RE: You just "Made My Day." Thanks. "Awesome!!"
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larry bobo wrote: “Now you can go to Shiloh for college.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do they teach the following subjects at Shiloh University? Comparable religion. Documentary hypothesis. The perennial philosophy. History of mysticism. Divine right of kings versus enlightenment and the right of individuals. Separation of church and state. Separation of church and the indiv
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Larry bobo wrote on 02/08/2014 04:03pm: “As soon as submission to Jesus changed to submission to men taking the place of Jesus, things went in the toilet. Rather than being a covering against demonic oppression as advertised, it actually became the open door of demonic oppression. TLWF went from a movement without leaders to one with more leaders than any movement I know of, especially with t
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paleface wrote on 02/05/2104: “I recently learned just how total and evil the things that Gary did to Bob were. It was shocking. Gary basically robbed Bob. Then he turns around and speaks ill of him after he died. What kind of a person does this kind of stuff? And no one was more given than Bob. He gave his entire life to the Living Word. And they took full advantage of that openess. Reminds me
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Invisible wrote: “( IMO ) I think we can share what we have learned, we can point out all the wrong kinds of relationships and the wrong thinking that we each in our own way - have come to realize was detrimental and destructive to our own well being in life and to the well being of others in their lives - but only we can individually determine for our own self - how we will or will not - live o
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