Invisible: I’ll admit I want/wanted revenge for the way I was treated by my designated shepherd. The festering did not dissipate over a twenty-nine year period of being silent. Whether I am a dog or not, speaking up in a group setting such as this forum is helping to set me free. So in my case, “A live dog is better than a dead lion.” (Ecclesiastes 9:4) I want to live; whatever it take
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Rapture Anxiety For Cult Leaders: In my opinion, G&M would look bad if some of TLWF sheep were raptured out of here before them. And in my “cult chain of command thinking” & “divine-order protocol,” the raptured sheep would be in “rebellion” for not getting permission. Rules are rules!!
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I remember Brenda Longest commenting, “I hope Jesus doesn’t show up when I’m in the shower” --- jokingly.
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lily rose wrote: “Changedagain thank you for sharing your experience. It really shines a light on the godfather nature of church leadership that is based on control, manipulation, and delusion. Even under JRS, brilliant men with successful jobs and families were told to give up their employment to start kingdom businesses, only to face financial ruin. To what end....to cross them, break them, co
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Thank you lily rose, any positive attention (rare as it is) is always welcomed. You know I think I still believe in God, that Jesus in His example and integrity is above reproach and one to emulate as a good way to live your life in this crazy world. I plan to stay away from spiritual bullies, cult churches and anything that reeks of hierarchy. As crazy as this sounds, why not consider y
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Unfortunately, loyalty and the money flow cover a multitude of sins in TLWF. One thousand sixty three posts and growing on this forum alone affirming this fact. Same old same old since the days of Jesus when He overthrew the money changer’s tables in the temple. Peter, Jude, James and Paul lament the stains and blemishes, the hidden reefs, the faith without works and the holding of truth in un
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lily rose asked: --- Is a man's spirit like being macho or maybe a male jezebel? How did Marilyn propose a wife would kill him or the spirit? ----------------------------------- I’m a male. I could range from a beer drinking, pickup driving, boot scooting, foul mouthed, uncaring, gruff, bar hopping sports/fight junkie, etc. etc. to a reserved well-dressed intellectual with a voraci
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paleface wrote: “Marilyn thinks of herself as a lioness protecting her young.” ------------------------------- Another analogy would be a she-spider who bites her victims, putting them in a webbed prison of suspended animation for present and future consumption.
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filthy apron wrote: "I don't kowtow to anyone it's 50/50 period!" ------------------------------ I’m with you, filthy apron. I don’t care what the “Bible” says about it, it has to be 50/50. Somewhere it says, “Let us reason together” which implies to me things like contracts, agreements and plans worked out between friends, comrades and team players. How can “God
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If the “Lamp Camp” were to ‘go at it’ with the “Warren Jeffs Group” down in Colorado City, Utah, who would win?? Colorado City has its own “designated” police force complete with handcuffs, guns and police cars.
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lily rose wrote: ------------------------------------ What an excellent observation, lily. Hebrews 11:38 talks about wandering in deserts. Jesus and John the Baptist did some time in the wilderness also. Most desert/wilderness types are not milk-toast, compliant, push-over, wimps, approval junkies, yielding non-backbone personalities. Talk about being “hoodwinked” & “straightjac
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The lyrics I was singing when escaping were, “I’m already gone, and I’m fee-eling strong.”
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I second changedagain’s post!! We’re dealing with some “sick puppies” to say the least.
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Edit above post: Just looked at Wikipedia, it says Whitewater is near the banks of the Gunnison River ---- that's what happens when you don't really do the exploring your heart wants to do.
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Welcome filthy apron: We made the trip from Salt Lake City to Whitewater, Colorado two or three times for feasts. Leland Bailey was the main dude at the time. I always wanted to skip some church time in order to see why they called it Whitewater--------assuming there were rapids on the Colorado River. We did see the confluence of the Gunnison and Colorado. (Do you remember Ralph Haglock??
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larry bobo wrote: [“Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” Those words should have far more personal meaning now than they did a few decades ago.] lily rose wrote: “So part of my time was spent in a false Christianity.” --------------------- My father, who attends an American Baptist Church, had an operation three weeks ago. During the operation while I was in the waiting ro
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LampShmamp wrote: "Walkers can persuasively argue scripture as well as or better than anybody." ------------------------- I seriously doubt a “walker” could persuasively argue against submission to super apostles and prophets. My dog doesn’t seem to worry about the purpose of existence. Food is “the kingdom” for my dog. On the other hand our evolved human brain is causin
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The gates of hell have prevailed: Super Apostle accumulates 35 million in assets while his sheep are living on plastic based on known falsification of income. If I were God I wouldn’t validate this type of so called “apostle” with an early resurrection either.
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lily rose. I always detested the “spiritual pros” who seemed to be bored with their own personal worship of God but instead were busy analyzing our individual worship of God. Why were they intruding into that which was none of their freaking business anyway? Perhaps they had lost their first love and had to suck it from the ‘Babes in Christ’ who still possessed their pure first love. You wr
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lily rose wrote: "I often wondered what happened to the Beatitudes. Were they cast aside for a man's interpretation of Joel's army?" ------------------ Yes, continually, they’re preaching it as I write this!! Under the umbrella of “Joel’s Army” every demon and foul spirit gets a free license to run roughshod over the meek, the innocent, the downtrodden, the gentle, th
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Using my past transcribing skills: At 19:21 in the video “Vain Glory” Rev. Harold Bussell, D. Min., Dean of the Chapel, Gordon College says the following: “Where in Christianity, it’s the resurrection of the body, of the individual. God affirms our individuality, that’s never negated. Our sin is negated, but never our humanity, nor our identities.” --------------------------------------
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lily rose: Thanks again for finding “more” information on the internet about the errors “Walk” members took in “hook, line & sinker.” When those occasional lying and condemning spirits/memories from our past come to bring us down, we can say, “No, no, no, look at all this teaching we have found that contradicts your entire agenda. Even God hates your interpretations.” ----------------
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Third Testament in God's dealings with the human race?? ---------------------------------- Do the “Third Testament First Principles” command “Head-butting” to enforce complete submission of unruly underlings??
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changedagain wrote: “There was so much emphasis in the sermons about the enmity of the 'carnal' mind, with repeated warnings about not resorting to reasoning to find truth (scriptural references to the evil Pharisees questioning of Christ), that the environment became fertile ground for mind control.” ---------------------------------------- The following are quotes from: Full t
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Lily rose wrote: “I would be interested in your reviews.” --------------------------------------- I was never a ministry, just a person on the bottom always bowing to the heavies strutting around the church. So the following is what chaps my hide or rings my bell: A --- We have an apostle demanding total submission from the underlings who in turn denies apostleship to the magistrates i
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lily rose posted: Woodrow Nichols in Chapter 13 of his e-book (goggle spiritual counterfeits project the walk, then click JRS The Walk-Reflections from the Wall) tries to give a plausible theory about if JRS had a genuine call of God on his life. Nichols concludes that JRS's life had a parallel to the life of Saul but "a better definition of the sum total of Steven's ministry has
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Keep talking. I may switch over to: JRS, Gary & Marilyn are not going to be in my heaven!!!
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The article recommended by lily rose found on Google: Full text of “Anointing – or Apostasy? The Latter Rain ...... has some answers. Parts of this article deal with the surprising accuracy William Branham displayed during his personal ministry sessions. Branham more than once stated there was an entity which stood by his side which helped him. He couldn’t minister if someone got between
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Welcome LampShmamp. Is your cover name in any way related to the Lamp of ???? lily rose. I must confess before heaven and earth that it was those nephilim hair-dressers that really chapped my hide----------never gone to one even to this day.
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What a mess. As members of the “Walk” we were expected to submit to our shepherds in all circumstances. We were told by John himself to submit to divine order because God will make everything right if we do. So either through misunderstanding or poor communications the congregation gets involved in evil things that displease God---------AND now we find out that being in submission or being una
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