Quote Saw enough: December 12, 2013 03:13am------“But he encouraged them that they weren't just called to control the outcome of elections in the United States -- they were actually called to control the nations.” Quote paleface: December 13, 2013 09:43pm------“These guys are batsheit crazy!” If God backs the crazies we’re screwed. No difference: TLWF, Taliban and Tomas de Torq
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Quote: changedagain---December 07, 2013: “It would be more than fitting if the Pope granted them an audience, and then rebuked them for their callous disregard for the welfare of those under their charge.” Quote: Dom Helder Camara ---- Brazil’s former archbishop of the poor: "When I give food to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist.
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When considering those “Words from God” spoken by the human shepherds in the “Walk” over the years, and the devastation, hurt and slicing & dicing of the ‘spirits’ of the underlings, some Old Testament Judgment would be a prayer answered. False prophets speaking lies out of their own fantasies and misguided dreams requires judgment; a necessary judgment put in place to protect the unsuspectin
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Quote: larry bobo: November 21, 2013 06:37PM [] You nailed it: “Distorted view of God.” I need to change. Currently looking for that better view of God; one that will cure my acquired neurosis.
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The ‘god substitute’ TLWF shepherds have lied to us. They are lying when they say, “This is a Word from God for you.” If they had any integrity at all, they would say, “This is our opinion.” They can speak truths, but it’s a lie when they come across as though they were Creator God Almighty-----The Source of Spirit/Energy/Consciousness undergirding all existence. They didn’t make the infini
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Quote: larry bobo on 11/07/13 “Using and discarding others when they can no longer serve your purposes is not. The struggle to be king of the mountain has left hundreds of wounded in its trail.” That’s a loaded statement to be sure. There are those who are not content with ‘The Kingdom of God Within Them’. They have a greater need to be ‘king of the mountain’. The pope is at the top in
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I remember reading, “Babylon, Mystery Religion”. It was spooky; made you look at ‘all others’ with suspicion, as well as sparking many conspiracy theories, moreover, it supports an unhealthy viewpoint of a world under demonic influence. Kind of a drag: Because the ‘Walk’ itself could be given the same classification. The one has left a wake of torture and physical death while the other has
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SLC stands for Salt Lake City, Utah. There was a “Church of the Living Word” in Salt Lake City, Utah named “Faith Chapel” from the late 1960’s to the mid 1980’s. The original pastors were Herman Maxwell and Harold Bailey. Other pastors of note were: Bowman Littleton, Eddy Taylor, Chuck Longest, Paul McMeekin and Seth Bazzill. Some visiting shepherds were John Robert Stevens, Bill Arnold, L
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Quote: saw enough: 10/24/2013 “What has not changed is the hierarchical structure of the group and the destructive vindictiveness that can be turned against people at a moment's notice.” The unchanging LWF Shepherd = one who commandeers worship, adulation and obedience from little ones (underlings) --- seminary or no seminary.
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I was recruited into the “Walk” in 1970 by a girl I met at a party. The first church meeting I attended was one that took place when John Stevens was visiting SLC. I was totally impressed. Up until maybe 1980 the Walk was great; friends, fellowship, bible learning, intensity and much fun in general. As time went by new shepherds were put in charge in SLC and things started getting weird. L
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Whoa. The above posts are soul searching, embarrassing, the truth ---- And we were the answer the world was looking for -- (not). Do you remember when certain ones wanted to write a letter/send a proclamation to the United States Government, demanding that it relinquish control to the Apostolic Company? That was a little scary ---- maybe some jail time and an entry on the governmen
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Edit above post: Change junky to junkie. sorry.
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Larry Bobo. Thanks for being so honest. I remember some of the things you mention in your post up until the grand “marriage ceremony to Marilyn” ---- I had left by then. I think Martha’s album was titled, “When God Speaks.” That post by sierradawn is saddening. After the death of John and the ensuing power struggle here in SLC a family was torn apart: Mom & dad went to California i
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Quote: Paleface 10-08-13: “And she was gloating about it, taking delight in watching someone struggle.” …….Roman Colossium Spiritual Style…… who taught who? Where is the everlasting God of transcending intelligence, fun, adventure, fantasy, uplift, mind blowing unknowns, open range, choice, unconditional acceptance and easy going personality? (The Dream) Why was the g
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Quote paleface: “To me, that sums up the leadership of the Living Word. Keep the sheep busy with programs and campaigns. And keep them tithing.” I remember one time when my wife and I were over at the pastor’s house which was just down the dirt road on Faith Chapel Church Land (we had five acres----sold out from underneath what was left of the body in about 1986 or 87) anyway while there
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Quote: I remember, after JRS died, Gary said on a taped word that it was essentially over for John back in 1974 (I think that was the year he said), but they needed to keep the people busy so they came up with the unending intersession for him. Thanks Gary, I didn't realize you were in charge of our lives. More religious wasteland revealed!! At least we didn’t die……..but many h
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Quote: “How the mighty have fallen"!! Once it goes.... what shall we all talk about on this message board? We could spend a great deal of time theorizing about how big heaven needs to be in order to ensure that we never cross paths again with these “infected” alpha/bully/leader/commando/manipulating/intruding......... type personalities.
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John 19:38 “After these things Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but a secret one for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate granted permission. So he came and took away His body.” Secret disciple? (Not much LW teaching about that) Matthew 27:57 says he was well off. Instead of getting criticized, he gets an honorable mention in
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There was a time in my life when I believed the Walk had a monopoly on flying high in the heavenlies. Leaving the Walk meant leaving everything that was mystical/spiritual. Being free out in the world is better than being an abused underling in a church that stresses submission (imo), but it’s a little precarious if you don’t have any power or a power base to draw upon. I suppose this is what
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Mr. & Mrs. G & M Constantine?? Is the groundwork being laid for the new and improved millennial dark age? When is the next rocket leaving for outer space --- time to get out of Dodge.
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“Living Word = North Korea” and “Thorough Nature Change.” How to get all the Goods: Plan A --- Those at the top are counting on the nature change. It’s much easier to manipulate the personnel when the underlings are willing to give up their wealth, dignity, family, friends, resistance or anything that might bring self esteem. (No doubt there are hundreds of words/sermons on record aga
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QuoteSaw enough You can wipe out your opponents. But if you do it unjustly you become eligible for being wiped out yourself. Ernest Hemingway Ahhh, yes --- that rings some bells. Now we're talking a true "Living Word".
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What a sad situation for John Miller. You say he is under a general shunning order, so forty (?) years of service and friendship counts for nothing. This is disturbing-----become a Christian and dump your family and friends as well as future family, friends, brothers and sisters whenever the order comes down. Live for the orders that come down because nothing else is of any value, integrity or
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Quote: changedagain I wish I could claim I was surprised Miller became a channel of Satan, losing both his ministry and pension...but I'm not. Strangely, I still think he is a good guy. Perhaps this errant attitude is the result of an evil, sympathetic streak that resides in me--never fully eradicated by a living word. Oh well. John Miller was a good guy when I knew him!! His
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