lily rose. I like your last post, zooming in on the effects of indoctrination. Acts 17:11 --- I’m glad the Bible praises the Bereans. This is an authorization to test things. How in the world can a person watch out for false prophets, teachings and Christs if questioning becomes taboo? If the Spirit searches all things (I Cor 2:10) then it is part of our very makeup to follow suit (I
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lily rose posted: I do like it when the big guns show up in these posts because we should test all things by the Scripture, even God's "anointed". The Bereans were praised for scrutinizing even the words of the apostle Paul (Acts 17:11). I don't think that anyone's teachings and actions are beyond scriptural examination; it's so Biblical. ------------------------
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lily rose wrote: “Now I realize that won't be my role in heaven” & “I think for some of us the teaching was a snare.” -------------------------------------------------- There are some good “Replacement Principles” contained in: Full text of “Anointing – or Apostasy? The Latter Rain … found on Google………….….just as lily rose said. Matthew 13:15: Better understanding brings
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lily rose wrote: If you are interested and have some time, the following read is long but the insights are something else: Goggle Apostasy The Latter Rain Heresy, then click Full text of "Anointing or Apostasy? The Latter Rain." The website is ------------------------------------------------- I’ve been reading for hours; about half way through it as of this post. I think it’s g
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changedagain wrote: The fact that I'm even considering the possibility that he was deceptive about where he received his "revelation," or if his college degree was valid, demonstrates how far he has descended (at least in my estimation) from his lofty status of being 'Christ in the Flesh'/'The Door Opener'/'The Apostle to the Kingdom' etc. ---------
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lily rose wrote: Also it seems to me ironic that Happy was voicing the Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God doctrine that believers will take on the divine nature of Christ. Didn't John also believe this? Isn't that why he was removed from the Assemblies of God Church? If I am wrong about this, please feel free to lay into me. paleface wrote: I always wondered about this incident. If Jo
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In reference to similar posts by paleface & changedagain ----------- “I think a big "red light" moment for me happened in the Anaheim church. JRS was talking and Happy Clark stood up and said "Brother Stevens, you're the Christ". John just chuckled and said something general like "Bless you, Happy". -------------------------------------------- Hebrews 7:
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lily rose wrote: “Can you imagine a student challenging TLWF interpretation of Romans 8:19 regarding the manifestation of the sons of God by citing other scholarly commentaries. Would the student receive a lower grade?” -------------------------------------- Of course!! Nobody advances until they have mastered the Special General Education Requirements which include “Twisting Scripture
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Invisible ------- Great post.
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lily rose quoted II COR 2:17 --- Unlike so many, we do not peddle the Word of God for profit. --------------------------- Wikipedia says this letter to the church at Corinth was written by Paul roughly from AD 53 to 57. So within maybe twenty-five years of the resurrection you already have leaders exploiting the people. Are these leaders actually prophets sent by God who have gone bad o
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It’s actually becoming a blessing to be gone from “The Walk.” Escaping was liberating, but being fully convinced in all aspects is much better. There’s enough support coming from many angles on this forum, enough biblical verses coming to light and sound, intelligent theology to win the debate for discarding and moving beyond TLWF/JRS literature. This means we can’t be labeled as “rebellio
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lily rose wrote in part: Christ's yoke is easy and burden light but the CLW yoke and burden was not. Period. ------------------------------- Galatians 3:10 in part ---- for as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse. ------------------------------- TLWF is under the curse ------- the “law” of submission has bewitched them. Just thinking about it carries the vibr
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One of the first things I did after refusing to submit to the lead shepherd in Salt Lake City, after being admonished in a letter sent to my home by John Miller stating it was necessary to submit in order to remain in the fellowship, was to throw away all the JRS authored literature I had collected and purchased. I haven’t read any JRS literature since 1985. I quit reading the Bible also unti
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I was reading Hebrews 12:18-24 in The New American Standard Bible. The caption between verse 17 and 18 reads, “Contrast of Sinai and Zion.” TLWF is as scary and menacing as Sinai; fire, darkness, gloom, whirlwind and instant rejection/death for the slightest infraction. I’m of the persuasion they’re more Old Covenant than New, especially regarding hierarchy.
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changedagain wrote: [ Because that very nature would conflict with the requirement to minister "the cross"... ] lily rose wrote: [ A cult seldom controls its member by using physical coercion. ] --------------------------------- “The Cross” is more “cover terminology” to justify exploitation of sheep as well as providing a license for shepherds to act as tyrannical monsters.
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Romans 11:29 --- for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. --------------------------------- There have been references to the above verse in previous posts. My theological question is this: If someone is designated a leader within the cult, is that designation valid only within the cult or is it galactic? Does our “non-membership” in the cult invalidate their claims of aut
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Time to get out of Dodge when the Lead Shepherd has a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other; it reminds me of Abiathar, the only priest to escape the treachery of King Saul of Israel who massacred the very Priests of Yahweh for his own political reasons. History seems to repeat itself, even in the church. (I Samuel 22:13-22)
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Lilly rose I like the way "Pagan Christianity?" (2002, 2008) by Frank Viola & George Barna is leaning according to the quote you provided, especially referencing “special clergy caste.” I remember your post about the Greek word “exousia” being misapplied by many aberrant groups. I suspect there’s much information that can dovetail together and provide some clear cut delineation
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I’m with you jhorning!! Excellent posts. Hebrews 4:8 --- Joshua may have led them to a physical territorial victory, but was incapable of delivering the inner peace the scriptures have in mind. That job was designated for the One and Only and His Perfect Sacrifice planned before the foundation of the world. Romans 14:17 --- The Kingdom of God is righteousness and peace and joy in the Hol
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Invisible: What you describe in your last post could be labeled “Mob Mentality.” Quote lily rose on June 27, 2014 01:57am: “I'm not so sure John always had a pipeline to the will of God and I wonder if the term mantle of authority wasn't misguided thinking that was misused by John and G&M. If John never had a mantle of authority there would have been no mantle to pass on. Qu
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lily rose: Herman & Ann Maxwell, as well as their son and daughter in law, Loren & Judy Maxwell were good friends of mine. Always good vibrations from them ----- nothing messed up. Bowman & Ann Littleton and their children Hope & Jacob were good friends too. My wife used to baby sit for them. Bowman is listed as the State of Utah ----- “Minister of Christ” who performed our
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Anthropologists say Neanderthal man buried tools in the graves of their deceased. It’s conjectured that the hope/inkling of an afterlife must have been inherent within these individuals since organized religion with temples, holy books, professional priests, prophets, apostles, teachers and inner circles had not yet developed. What a blessing for the Neanderthal’s to live with their own spiri
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Invisible brought to light Luke 12:57 --- “And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right?” ------------------------------ I love these somewhat obscure verses that have very little cross-referencing. They seem obscure because they don’t truly support “top-down-group-think,” but instead support independent thinking for each individual. It’s like, “What ----- I have p
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lili rose wrote: “Thank you Invisible for your insights (I am enriched) and thank you to all in this community for the mutual edification. There is no choke hold on us; we're not being silenced by a man made hierarchy.” ------------------------------- No choke hold -------- great terminology. OK ----- for me the gospels could be renamed “Jesus versus the Extreme Controllers and M
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changedagain posted: {{ A friend and former long-time member of TLWF weighs in via email: "So you slaughter people for 20 years and then you start preaching oneness and how bad division is. It's like slaughtering the Indians and keeping people under slavery for 300 years and then saying, "Okay now let bygones be bygones. It's all good now -- nobody can bring up the pa
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Quote lily rose: "I know, but many of us gave a blind trust to John Steven's teachings. I know that I didn't have the where with all to think through what we were taught because I didn't have an anchor in the OT/NT and could not recognize the errors. It helps me to read the findings of those who research, examine and investigate a church's background and teaching. I don&
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Quote lily rose on June 05, 2014 04:02AM “You've got to read online "Walking in the Shadow of the Walk, The Prophetic Ministry and Visions of Francis Frangipane," by G. Richard Fisher @ www.pfo.org/francisfrangipane.htm.” Interesting, the article caused me to make some adjustments to things I was taught under JRS. As with most scholarly articles, I have noticed that I am easil
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Dr Ronald Enroth: [] ------------------------------- Jesus is the best example. (Luke 12:12-14 are great --- adding it to my favorites) Thanks to lily rose, jhorning, corboy, Dr Ronald Enroth.
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Exousia: Contained in 93 New Testament verses, the root word for 102 variously translated words/applications; amazing studies available at our “Google -- ing” fingertips. lily rose -- Thank you. The good ones can use this word “exousia” to give you personal freedom while the bad ones can use it to subvert and subjugate you. I can envision someone preaching for good or evil in my mind right
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