changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "As your King, I will deal with this hierarchy > issue once and for all!" > -King G. Too funny, changedagain. This reminds me of all the times that a member complained about the hierarchical way that the leaders related to people in the group. The members were the servants of the leaders. The l
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "As your King, I will deal with this hierarchy > issue once and for all!" > -King G. Too funny, changedagain. This reminds me of all the times that a member complained about the hierarchical way that the leaders related to people in the group. The members were the servants of the leaders. But i
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rrmoderator Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kBOY: > > The rules of this message specifically state no > preaching of beliefs. > > This thread is for discussion about John Robert > Stevens and Living Word Fellowship, not your > personal views and beliefs. > > Please refrain from such posts in the future per > the rule
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Our Goal As A School Of Prophets – > Mature Sons Of God > > August 12, 2018 - by Gary Hargrave > > > ~ ~ ~ > > "This Word describes a new day . . ." > "This Word describes a new day . . ." > "This Word describes a new day . . ." > > "Th
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The labor violations are categorized in one part > as "human trafficking." OMG I never thought of > that...but this complaint spells it out pretty > clearly. > > This complaint also spells out info on the use of > minors for work instead of school. And describes > the intentional i
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P.S. to kbyrne: I know what you mean. I didn't feel much on the news of M's passing, and probably many people on this forum had a similar reaction. If there is no personal two-way relationship, the feeling is very detached. It is based more on obligation than on love.
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kbyrne: A master/servant arrangement would not necessarily produce a feeling of closeness or a sense of affection in either the servant or the master. And a master is not the same as a pastor. QuoteFrom wikipedia: The word "pastor" derives from the Latin noun pastor which means "shepherd" and is derived from the verb pascere – "to lead to pasture, set to grazing, caus
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Onion said, "Larry Cotton was indeed included with > G & M as a leadership role after JRS died. But > Marilyn was onto Gary immediately and there were > rumors it started long before JRS died. I have no > information on that.' > > My sister is married to Vere Thomas' son, B
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light777 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reading through the latest threads has been all of > the below and more: > > * Detestable > * Awful > * Horrific > * Outrageous > * Revolting > * Disgusting > * Nauseating > * Heinous > * Infuriating > * And... everything else in-between!!! > > Allow m
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mandatory Reporters include every level > imageineable of school employees. > > In 1963 mental health professionals became > mandated reporters and that was all. As the years > went by, the law was amended MANY times to include > every other type of professional that might come > into knowled
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------ > Keeping the kids isolated from the outside world > keeps the secrets with in the cult..no one > knows...it is acceptable in the eyes of the cult > beliefs. tho' it is against the law. Having > volunteers is in a sense wonderful.. but those > well meaning volunteers may be ignorant of the > law
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dbc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you all for the continued dialog and > thoughtful analysis of the impact that CLW, JRS. G > & M had on you ... I still struggle to understand > how ANYONE could continue to fall for this. For > the most part they are wonderful, smart people. I > guess the allure of being a member of the elite
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Something interesting I found on the LGAT (Large Group Awareness Training) thread: QuoteCorboy Date: July 30, 2018 07:48AM We've learned that sleep deprivation, even mild sleep deprivation compromises mental acuity and by extension, critical thinking. Now there is an additional factor: dehydration. If you are in an LGAT and *if* they're running the air conditioning cold,
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Hey, check this out. Use the search feature in the main CEI page to search "obedience". Six out of ten of the results just on the first page alone are about TLWF. What a great legacy! Now tell me that there is no effort to control people. It's actually sad that a grown person, probably a ministry, has been given the job of spying on this thread and harrassing former members. They h
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > changedagain: > > Amen to your last post. Well said. FCSLC, Amen to your Amen. Great post, changedagain.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Are Our Actions And Methods In Alignment With Our > Beliefs?" > July 29, 2018 - by Gary Hargrave > > GH: "This Word asks us one question that opens the door to the new day: Are our actions and methods in alignment with our beliefs?... Are we running in vain? Are we missing the mark?...
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This sounds as if the writer was specifically > referring to TLWF/JRS. > > Wow I know, right? Narcissitic Personality Disorder in all its glory.
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Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities bec
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By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. *Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. *No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. *No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. *Unreasonable fear about the outside wor
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Rogue - Probably the money from the sold biz > went to fund the life of the people now > commissioned over all Kingdom Businesses? The > money also went to G&M and that's a fact. That sounds about right, Onion. I guess it's still possible to buy a semi-permanent seat at the APCO table. And
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We loose the corporate profits of God! And I don't suppose any of those profits would benefit any of the "volunteers" who made it happen. Much like a certain "Kingdom Business" that was sold. The profits were not shared with workers who gave up wages and lived like paupers to make it hap
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kBOY Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > The School of Prophets – God’s Kingdom > > Corporation > > July 20, 2018 - by Gary Hargrave > > > > > > > "Under the hierarchy of a corporate structure, > human nature is able to u
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Years back in the old days, JRS would come to > town. Service every night and late on school > night. I couldn't get home work done and I was so > exhausted in class. I know the same with my then > future husband. His mother was his math teacher. > She showed him no mercy knowing full well her &
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Puddington, I guess that we have joined the myriad of formerly faithful sons who have magically become nephilim because we disagreed with the leaders. In response to the "you never knew the Lord" comment, I would say, "Which Lord are you speaking of?" Larry, great idea about the tithes and offerings! Yes, the abuse is so destructive. I believe that most who have left carry
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The author of the book Cults in Our Midst is Margaret Thaler Singer.
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The following excerpt seems pertinent to this conversation. My sense of meaning has become the family that I nearly lost by cutting myself off from them while in this exclusive, high-demand group. They say they are serving God, but they are really serving themselves at your expense. They will not stop until they control your heart, your thoughts, your finances, your children and your very being.
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Tmason Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The law is always a tricky thing. There is a > (minors) farming exemption in FLSA that permits > those "standing in place of a parent" to put the > kids to work on the farm. > I found many, many of my teachers to be of > superior quality really. Many were educated and > had their hearts
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Tmason Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A culture of drinking that permitted 13 and 14 > year olds to drink. Scary!
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So true. Isolation traps a person...providing no > viable alternate to the stifling environment > they've become accustomed to. I think the stories > of the people here who have found a much > healthier, less constrictive life post-TLWF can > counter the sense of hopelessness. Hence the
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Just in case the people in charge never thought about this before, children need to obtain a work permit for both paid and unpaid work. They must be at least 14 years old. Child Labor Laws Child Labor laws dictate the hours youth may work, how many hours per week may be worked, the times of the year youth may work, types of jobs or occupations they may have, and when work permits or Certifi
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