Quotecber7Moishe3rd wrote: According to this website: The "Alex Horn" Pages Alex Horn passed away September 30, 2007. I am wondering if anyone knows if this is true. "There is no way this winter is ever going to end as long as that groundhog keeps seeing his shadow. I don't see any way out of it. He's got to be stopped. And I have to stop him."
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According to this website: The "Alex Horn" Pages Alex Horn passed away September 30, 2007. I am wondering if anyone knows if this is true.
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QuoterrmoderatorMoishe3rd: All you have done on this thread is essentially demonstrate that the complaints of the parents about the attitude and purpose of "Jewish Outreach" programs run by Aish and Chabad are correct. Whatever else you might imagine you have done, is just that, in your imagination. Aish, Jeff Seidel and Chabad have hurt Jewish families through their re
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QuoterrmoderatorMoishe3rd: What view? You have essentially been trolling around the board. Yes you did fail. The viewpoint that you are unfairly impugning the motives of Jeff Seidel; Aish Hatorah; and Chabad. Yes, I did fail.
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I apologize. I was under the impression that we were having a discussion. I was attempting to clarify my point of view. Evidently, I failed. Be well.
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QuoterrmoderatorMoishe3rd: You are attempting to parse your language to avoid admitting the purpose and underlying objectives of "Jewish outreach." "Returning"? Returning to what? G-d. Torah. And Mitzvos (Commandments). This is a constant and consistent theme that runs throughout the entire Torah and Tanach (what most call the "old testame
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QuoterrmoderatorMoishe3rd: I am not going to break the rules of this board and engage in a theological debate with you regarding the merits of Hasidic Judaism as opposed to Reform, Conservative, Orthodox and/or Reconstructionist. You may have come here to preach, but that is not the purpose of this board. Instead, the issue is behavior and specifically this thread is about the behavior o
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A friend of mine wrote to me: QuoteWhat ... religion?denomination?cult? is this? Believes the Illuminati exists and is bent on world domination. Believes the United States will not exist much longer because there is no mention of the USA or a country like the USA in the Book of Revelations. Believes this is Satan's world. Believes there are demons all around us interfering w
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Oy. I should have waited. Sorry... What the heck. I am here... QuoterrmoderatorThanks Yasmin. .... Having said that, you can see from Moishe3rd's posts that he exhibits a mindset intolerant of other beliefs and essentially ethnocentric, even when it comes to Jews from other denominations (e.g. Reform, Conservative and Reconstructionist congreagations). Perhaps it is like &quo
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Reading my previous post, I realize that I am being too convoluted and not addressing the specific point involved. rrmoderator and others believe that Jeff Seidel's (along with Aish and Chabad) behavior is deceptive and harmful because he (they) has a hidden agenda of getting non-observant Jews to turn into Jews who practice Judaism in the same manner that he (they) practice it. The cont
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Sigh... Well, I do believe I am shouting into the proverbial well, but I shall give it one last try... You are positing an Orthodox Jewish world and a non-Orthodox Jewish world that does not exist. The beliefs you have about Orthodox Judaism bear no relationship to reality. If you scan this thread, you will see the ordinary comments of those who are not Torah observant Jews regarding those
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QuoteshaktiQuoteMoishe3rd All of your posts excuse any peripheral agreement that Arab/Islamic fascist death cult terrorist Jihaddi might be murdering scum with the qualifier that "what about....?" And then you proceed to post silly or inflammatory information on your perceived grievances against Jews or the US or whomever... On the money. This is just another fool with an int
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QuotekagekiQuote No, I don't think so. I quite specifically laid out the conditions of my interest in dialog, and you rejected them. I have no interest in refuting silly meanderings on your part, nor engaging with one who continues in the mode of "they all do it, so stop blaming the Arab/Muslim fascist death cult Jihaddi terrorist murderers." Nope. I think I'll cont
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QuoterrmoderatorMoishe3rd: I am not attempting to convert you and/or anyone else. Believe whatever you wish. Preaching is prohibited by the rules of the message board, which you read and agreed to before posting here. I understand. My purpose is the defense of what I consider blatantly false charges against people and organizations that are trying to accomplish good and decent goals. I
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QuotekagekiQuoteMoishe3rdPoint taken. What can I say? Your justification for ritual tribalism and disgusting violence is very well stated. You believe that these barbaric practices are acceptable because of grievances stated. I do not. No Moishe. I have stated repeatedly I do not condone any atrocities. Instead of just picking on Arabs, which needs no further details since we are all well
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QuoterrmoderatorMoishe3rd: Your attempt to blame a Jewish mother for the pain caused by unwarranted proselytizing isn't a meaningful response to the situation. Reform, Conservative and Reconstructionist Jews don't egage in targeting Orthodox or Hasidic Jews in recruitment schemes. "unwarranted" would be a prejudicial term on your part. It basically means &q
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Point taken. What can I say? Your justification for ritual tribalism and disgusting violence is very well stated. You believe that these barbaric practices are acceptable because of grievances stated. I do not.
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Sorry, just a bit more. I went to the website you provided, thank you very much, for "Jeff Seidel." I saw his video on inviting young Jews from the Western Wall to celebrate Shabbos. I thoroughly approve. It is posted on the internet EXACTLY what his intentions are and why he is doing this. How can you claim this man is part of a "cult." Besides which, no
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QuoterrmoderatorMoishe3rd: See This is a fairly typical complaints about Aish. I have received quite a few similar complaints. The Pain of One Jewish Mother--a cautionary personal story June 1998 .... While he was in Israel he was approached at the Western Wall by a man named Jeff Seidel--who asked him if he would like to have a "Shabbat (Sabbath) experience"
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richardmgreen, I understand that you are disenchanted with Judaism. And, I understand that you believe that religion is "dying away," as it were. However, I still fail to comprehend why anyone would think Aish had cult like tendencies and how it has "torn families apart." You did not address that in your explanation of your beliefs as to why being a bal t&#
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QuotekagekiQuoteSure it is. Islamic fascist death cultists murder innocent people, mostly other Muslims, at random - anywhere; any time, in the name of their imaginary Death god. If you condemn the Islamic fascists, no matter what bizarre reasoning (such as the things you mentioned) they claim that makes them the "victims," then you can legitimately discuss the flaws of the US
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QuotekagekiIs Iraq not an occupied country? Prime Minister Al-Maliki has even said they don't need help from the US anymore and they are free to go. Ask any regular Iraqi citizen and they will tell you that it's an occupied country and they simply want the the American troops to leave. Although the US itself may not be as oppressive, the US has been oppressive in other countries. Th
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QuoterichardmgreenQuote"Moishe3rdThe entire Torah has promoted the idea that Jews ought to be more Observant - for the last 3,000 years. This is not a "new phenomena." It is simply, that today, in the United States of America, one has complete freedom of religion. No one is going to reject you because you are a Jew and you are therefore free to leave Judaism and join
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From: QuoteBelow, you find a copy of the complaint that was sent to the company that was hosting esotericfreedom.com. It is this level of intimidation has worked for 40 years and has supported them in style. Observe for yourself what comes up in you when you read this. For me it was that feeling of being in trouble with them... It is, in fact, a group of mechanical "I"&#
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QuoterrmoderatorMoishe3rd: You say, QuoteAlex did once slap me during a football game in Montana and scream at me "I'm not your father!" That was interesting. Useful, at the time also. And, Sharon did once slap my wife (of 28 years now) for being rather hateful. It seemed appropriate at the time. Other than that, I believe I got in three fistfights - all based on the id
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QuoterrmoderatorYes. Jewish proselytizing is ancient history. But apparently the Chabad and Aish Ha Torah seem to feel that proselytizing other Jews (e.g. Reform, Conservative, Reconstructionist) is OK. The entire Torah has promoted the idea that Jews ought to be more Observant - for the last 3,000 years. This is not a "new phenomena." It is simply, that today, in the Un
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Quotecber7QuoteMoishe3rdI realize that folks are bitter and upset. It's understandable, based on what y'all are writing about. However.... Every few years I Google Sharon or Alex just to find out what they've been up to now... So, I see there's a new website up - - which invites people to "tell their stories." And, stopping by this forum again, I see th
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QuoterrmoderatorMoishe3rd: Seems like you got off easy. Others did not. See Sharon Gans and Alex Horn did hurt people and "victim bashing" isn't really a meaningful response to that reality. Forgive me, but I cannot see where that was either my implied or obvious intention. I gather that you intend this forum to be a "place for healing" and not a place where
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I realize that folks are bitter and upset. It's understandable, based on what y'all are writing about. However.... Every few years I Google Sharon or Alex just to find out what they've been up to now... So, I see there's a new website up - - which invites people to "tell their stories." And, stopping by this forum again, I see that some of the comments are verb
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QuoteMarie27Moishe, But for me the bottom line with regard to Alex is this: his relationship with his "students" is manipulative and deceitful. He told us we must give up our will to his for many many years, because this is how a student learns from a teacher. But he never told us who his teacher was, or whether this is the kind of relationship he ever had as a student. He said contrad
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