I had to laugh at this: "Our best comes out when we have honest discussions. Our worst comes out when we behave like robots or professionals. " And then a few paragraphs later: "Flores prompts Tomas, "Follow the script, exactly as it is written": Assessor: , ; . Person assessed: , thank you for your assessment. I appreciate your sincerity. I would like to h
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Yep. Sounds exactly like Landmark. Flores might as well be a Forum leader, and the jargon is identical.
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I read the link, which goes to a W.E. explanation of est. I didn't see how it tied in to drug use, or his associates. Maybe you can clarify that. What I did notice was this: "...This is done in an environment - or 'space' - that is safe enough for them to do that. That is, in a safe space, there is no expectation that you prove anything, or demonstrate anything, or kee
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Corboy wrote: "LGATs probably cannot afford to do this kind of research. (Cough)" I did see that *cough* ;-D I just wanted to put together a couple of things that I have noticed from this thread, and connect a couple of dots. Y'all can correct me if I'm stitching together something that doesn't fit. Bakkagirl has mentioned PhD's who have inexplicably ju
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bakkagirl wrote: "'X' is an Organizational Development and Leadership professional with 25 years of working experience, out of which 12 years in Asia. He is an entrepreneur and active as an international consultant, executive coach, facilitator, speaker, therapist, hypnotist and NLP-coach. He founded his company and Learning and Development methodology "X", which is
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In fact, maybe the (proposed) law could simply state that NO employer may require of their workers to attend ANY class, seminar, or workshop for any reason other than those directly related to the nuts and bolts performance of their job. In some cases, where people have public-facing jobs, a plastic smile might be an actual requirement, (counter help at a fast food place). People skills do h
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bakkagirl wrote: "My sense is that with NXIVM, and other 'executive training' providers being called into question, THE TIME IS RIGHT to start scrutinizing many of these programs, and creating greater awareness in workers regarding their right to 'just say no'. " There are two things here: The whole NXIVM thing at least SHOULD be showing the world how untru
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"I am struggling to remember if discussing highly personal matters in the context of a group of strangers truly provided relief, or healing." In the context of what we are talking about, it is used as leverage, and a way "in" for those who seek control. I'm not so sure that sharing all of this with a large group has any real benefit at all. I can see how there can
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Are you asking the "why," in terms of motive, or are you asking about why they can collaborate? I've actually read that some psychopaths, or at least people with a lot of psychopathic traits, are very successful in business, (just look at W.E.). Consider that many of the people involved, at least in LGATs, did not start out as psychopaths. They actually used to be normal peopl
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Yep. I DO know that i had the option of not going, BUT by that time, i felt that I owed her. And i see that you gave it a try at that guy's church, and that would seem okay. But when you say that it's not your path, and they keep pushing, it is then you see that there's a real problem.
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I think you can see the technology, piece by piece, by reading the posts and seeing the common threads. I think that the elements of thought-reform listed by Singer, Lifton, give great guidelines, and then you can look through posts and pick all those elements out, as they occur. Then you see the sleep deprivation and room environment, add in the NLP, and there's a lot of it right ther
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"the individual who is inducted by 'friends'; is motivated by curiosity, a desire to improve in some way." Honestly, I'm not so sure how often that is the case. I felt more hooked into it. She called me, crying, because she didn't have enough people for her home introduction. (1st hook). l deliberately went with no money. The woman gave the presentation, the
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Okay. I look forward to reading this. I read another article by the same author, a couple of months ago.
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That's what they say, but they steal each other's "technology" all the time. In fact, other people have posted examples of where the "technology" actually came from, and these LGATs didn't even invent it. Most of them seem to be a mix of other peoples' work, which was published long ago. Apparently, a lot of it comes from the Scientologists. Then there
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I agree. I suspect that the whole point of the non-disclosure agreement may be, at least in part, because they don't want the legality of some of their practices scrutinized too closely.
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bakkagirl, I believe you. More on that later.
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(Double post. Sorry. Maybe its my phone?)
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I think another thing that prevents people from speaking out/leaving, might be the level of entanglement. Reading the article brought this up. People can end up owing people money, and then don't want to say anything bad about the organization. Then there is the "non-disclosure" agreement. That's a tough one to break, but it's necessary when the organization is committ
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I think they finally get caught. Remember the woman who finally reported NXIVM, she said that certain people were picked for the worst abuse, and these were probably women who the DOS thought they could control. Many of the others, who were NOT picked for the abuse by the DOS subgroup were probably blissfully unaware of what was going on. They would probably give glowing reviews about the organiz
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I just read corboy's link. The "sexual meditation" described was exactly the same as someone had described to me years ago in relation to some est group.
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California is pretty much the capitol of that sort of thing, (in the U.S., anyway), you know. It depends on which part of California you are in, though. I don't know anything about the mentality of Carmel. You do realize that CA is going to vote on whether they are going to split themselves up into three states, right? I can tell you a story about my own experience with that sort of thing
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@bakkagirl, i tried to send p.m. You need to clean out your mailbox. kdag
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...and Tony Robbins.
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bakkagirl, You wrote, "They also reported overhearing teleconferences in which local GM's, all psychologists, coached each other in how to mindfuck employees. They co-developed strategies for doing this. It was organization-wide." Isn't this malpractice? Don't psychologists have a governing board that you can report them to? (I'm pretty sure they do in the U.S
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bakkagirl, Yes, that. Amygdala hijack, and in some that might instill self-doubt, which is another of their biggies. Corboy also pointed out how they try to disorient by removing as many reference points as they possibly can. People connect to things that are already in their brain, and they disrupt that. I think corboy's example was in the thread about the room set-up. In Landmark, a
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i feel your pain. I have also experienced significant harassment.
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