From corboy's above link: "...the premises of NVC, especially with the idea of transcending right/wrong thinking completely,..." From what I have heard out of some of these people, it goes so far as to transcend even "desirable/undesirable," thinking, as I also recall being told that we must give up our preferences and aversions. From my experience in the curren
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I suspect that NVC ties into amygdala hijackings, because all of these circular arguments are designed to piss people off, cause them to lose their tempers, and in some cases, might incite violence. Then the normal person looks bad, while the NVC mind control cultie comes out smelling like a rose in the eyes of people who don't know what actually happened. Some activists use this tactic in
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ANON541 wrote: ". I was advocating letting go of judging good and bad." Call me a troglodyte if you must. I still say "heart attack - bad!" "Broken bones - bad!" "Bankruptcy - bad!" Also - what bakkagirl said. My LGAT experience involved severe privacy and boundary violations, crimes committed against me, illegal surveillance, and left me with s
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JEESH!!! This is a perfect example of what they do in LGATS. They just plain wear people down, even if their arguments are bunk. ANON541 wrote: " "kdag, You said: "... during a time of crisis is not the best time to wax philosophical." I disagree. If someone is in emotional pain, if they are not going to look at what they are doing to cause it and instead reach f
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ANON541, I understand this. If this works for you - great! Not everyone is on the same path, and during a time of crisis is not always the ideal time to start trying to wax philosophical. The other two options are also valid, and may work best for other people. I totally agree that any anger I feel is mine, and my experience alone. I do not, however, believe that any place that someone ca
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ANON541 wrote: "By telling the truth about lies, contradictions, and hypocrisy without judging we bring freedom to ourselves and those not privy to what we have seen." I believe that's what DINGO was doing. When people have been injured, it shows through in their speech/writing. I have been through all of this in non-cult settings. I understand what you are saying. At the
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ANON541 wrote: "...but when anyone judges good and bad they have harmed their argument, and created negative emotions... the very thing that drives people into cults in the first place. Without "good" and "bad" we are emotionally free and don't need some "daddy" or cult to tell us he loves us." Aah - gotcha! Okay, so because there is also no
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Shouldn't there be some sort of "psychopathic oath" in there somewhere, as well? His disciples would take it. It just seems fitting, or at least it does to me.
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Hahaha, we could make polyresin statues so people can rub his belly for good luck, or set him up by the cash register and put coins in his mouth... We could designate W.E. Day, and make floats depicting him for the parade... Yeah! That's the ticket!!! His birthday should be an international holiday!!!!!!
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Well, not everybody who follows him is Catholic. We'd better get someone in there chanting his name in Tibetan Deep Voice, accompanied by singing bowls, and may as well throw in someone playing a didgeridoo.
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Bakkagirl wrote "Well, the focus will be on the 'celebrities' and how they or their spawn were lured into this pernicious CULT." Oh, but I can definitely see value in what Catherine Oxenberg is doing here. The more she can draw public attention to this stuff, the better off we are. It looks like she will outline how people can get pulled in. She will probably show warnin
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Like certain other LGATs, it looks like NXIVM was the center of the jellyfish, with lots of tentacles going out in all directions. This link contains a list of NXIVM -affiliated organizations. I don't know what all the connections were, but it is concerning. I wonder how these businesses are run.
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Corboy wrote: "Later on, I wondered if they intentionally ran the air conditioning to make us cold and thirsty. That incident got me curious about room set ups for indoctrination purposes." It sounds like a good possibility. I know Landmark is notorious for the room temp fluctuations. Maybe some LGATs or cults do that. I hadn't heard of it.
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bakkagirl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wet/dry, cold/hot, medicated/unmedicated, > screened/unscreened, LGAT's should be avoided like > the plague! Yes, definitely!!! All the water in the world will not make an LGAT anything other than what it is. The thought-reform tactics are thick. I was only answering corboy's specific question.
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LOL -Dave Barry, one of my favorites!
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I don't know about all LGATs, but in Landmark, you are allowed to take bottled water into the room, (That is the ONLY thing you can have). Also, they have pitchers of drinking water and paper cups at the back of the room, so it is available at all times. It would be best to take in your own, (if you were going to do it in the first place), because it might be awkward to stand up and go
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Landmark leaves religion/spirituality out of it's programs completely, but instead of saying that you must choose the spiritual over the physical world, they might instead talk about "putting yourself through the eye of the needle," in terms of your integrity, or in standing for expressed ideals.
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Bakkagirl wrote: "Issue would seem to be that the mind-fucked need to organize themselves and take action." Yep. Trying.
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Here's a thought about the inaction of the therapeutic community, and I think it has been brought up previously on the boards: Since these organizations are NOT comprised of professionals, and they have no license, they would not be under the jurisdiction of the APA. Maybe they, (the APA), just think it's not their problem. There IS no regulating board for these organizations, and n
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bakkagirl mentioned John Hunter's dissertation. Here they are. These are long reads: This second one is shorter, and will automatically download if you click on the link.
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Blaidd_164 wrote: "I was so beyond disturbed by his break down. it was EXACTLY what we did at Choice even down to the day of the event and the time of day..." Yes. They pretty much follow a script.
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"When she dropped out, her assigned buddy came under pressure to get her back to the point that she called choice center leadership and asked them to lay off of him. On the other hand, my other two friends also dropped leadership, one before it started, one during and neither experienced heavy pressure to return." I agree with you. It DOES sound like a cult, or any other typical LGAT
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That sounds heinous. Did they sign a waiver form? I am looking at "Unconscionable contracts." I think that might be a way, in many instances, and ESPECIALLY if they are taking advantage of disabled people.
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Blaidd_164 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just wanted to share some good news! > I received a letter from my credit card company > yesterday... > > We have concluded our investigation, we have ruled > in your favor. I received a FULL REFUND!!!!! > > Since choice made us chant over and over F*** that > guy all i can say is
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I found this article interesting. I am posting with a few brief quotes, which seem to fit in with my experience. "The elimination of individual boundaries is perhaps best seen in the characteristics known as the demand for purity and confession, in which members are expected to expose all their doubts about the group/leader/rhetoric, and then they are attacked for having such thought
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Yes to that. On the other hand, they describe it as a series of "discussions." Most people are mentally fit to carry on discussions, so even those who ask their mental health professionals are likely to get a green light. The problem i see is with all of the things that they do without telling participants in advance. These go way beyond "discussions," (in my humble o
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Oops, my citation was not complete. The synonyms, (2nd quote in the above post), came from: Burton's Legal Thesaurus, 4E. Copyright © 2007 by William C. Burton. Used with permission of The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
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Here's another definition of an "Unconscionable Contract," from another site: From legal dictionary: "unconscionable adj. referring to a contract or bargain which is so unfair to a party that no reasonable or informed person would agree to it. In a suit for breach of contract, a court will not enforce an unconscionable contract (award damages or order specific perfo
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Just found this. Think it fits?
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