I know some pretty level-headed, non-cult people who really like ACIM, but the thing to remember here, in my humble opinion, is that it is not necessarily the original philosophy or religion that is so insidious in these groups, but the way that it is applied. Both Jim Jones and David Koresh considered themselves Christians, but their applications and interpretations of the Bible were not wha
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I would relate some of my personal experiences, and would direct them to this website, and have them read some of the posts. Maybe you could send them links to some of the posts that show the most egregious violations. As far as exposing them, we need more insiders who can deliver proof of the crimes committed by these organizations. If we could do that, I think we could have them shut down
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Here's what Margaret Singer had to say. The whole article is a quick read, but in lieu of a highlighter, I cherry-picked a few points that seemed especially relevant here. Her description of second-generation thought reform so accurately describes Landmark. 2nd paragraph: "Programs used the organization and application of intense guilt/shame/anxiety manipulation, combined wi
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"Telling 'truths' amounts to extracting information for later use..."   - Amazon review about Real Love book, (from another post by corboy). This is so true of LGATS, and it seems to be the truth about all of them.  Either someone will decide to share something very personal in front of the whole group, or someone in the LGATS organization will drive you to tears, and
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rkhullar, Considering the desire to hurt the guy on stage, it sounds like they're deliberately hijacking your amygdala, and of course, in front of the whole group. This seems to be a common tactic in LGATS. Read this thread, if you haven't already. It's best to stay away and go through lawyers, if there is a need to communicate with them at all. They will do it over and over a
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Before I did the forum, I asked questions of my recruiter and her partner. As is usual with L.E. recruiters, they were vague. They would tell me that it would not change the things that happened in life, but would help me to not be so upset over them.  I was still not convinced that it was worth my time. Her partner then  told me, "It rewires your brain."   I recall thinking that sh
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righttofight, Yes, I was in Landmark, and they are the same. Anything you disclose will be used for leverage, or to manipulate you. In addition I met my recruiter in a twelve-step group, so they also had access to information from that group. Stuff I never told anybody. A few weeks after I did the forum, and wasn't blown away, I got an early morning call on my cellphone. Hardly an
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This is interesting. It reminds me of some of the other discussions in the LGATS forum.
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righttofight, Yes, I have experienced many of the same things. Some of it, I have not been allowed to post. I am a nobody, and have no influence. I had given only some mild criticism, and told them that I was leaving on the advice of my therapist. If they had just left me alone at that point, I would not be here posting. Nobody would have cared what I thought of it.
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righttofight wrote: "Then they turned the fire hose of mental games and nasty tricks against me. Turned my gf against me. Her ex bf who was also in this sick tribe against me. He did 1000's in felony vandalism damage against me. They spied on me. I had to sue the ex gf for money she took from me to pay for this garbage. I had to get the police involved with the ex bf and get a restra
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I don't know anything about the "stroke" that the writer is talking about in the fourth paragraph of the above-linked article. I can't find any information,  but can only find references to how the amygdala is affected by a physical stroke, and I don't think that's what the writer is referring to. I would deeply appreciate any light that can be shed on this, The i
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"I could piss you ALL off in about ten seconds." - Landmark Forum Leader I found this video of an amygdala hijack, some time ago. The description and step-by-step, detailed explanations seem spot-on. You can ignore the extreme politics, but it shows how manipulators can operate. To someone who didn't see how this progressed, the victim, (Meatloaf), would end up looking like the
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About the LGAT attitude toward anger: There seems to be the attitude that anger is "not very evolved." In the New Age community, we are said to have created everything that happens to us, so if we become angry, we are seen as "projecting" our stuff all over the other person.  There ARE cases where this is true, or where we are responsible,  at least in part, for our own
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"First, do no harm." People in the helping professions have that in their code of ethics. LGATS don't. I will paste a link about that: Although some of the LGATS may have psychiatric consultants, they do state that they are NOT mental health professionals, (so do not have to adhere to their code of conduct). Here, we are talking about the staff, such as forum leaders, etc
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Throughmyeyes Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Landmark totally contradicts what they are > preaching... Yes, and looking back on everything, I would have to say that it sucks the decency right out of people. When I think of what my former friend became, I realize that the person I had grown to trust no longer exists. It is a very sad thought, but
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In fact, when I really think about it: Landmark doesn't tolerate inauthenticity - they revel in it!
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Throughmyeye, I am so sorry, and yes, they do! In the social group I was in, which was run by my recruiter and full of Landmark people, they began behaving as if I literally wasn't there. One "lady" went so far as to cover her nose when she was near me, and became overtly rude. She literally behaved like a bratty 6-year-old. This was all because I said that some of the th
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Ouch! I'm sorry. How are you holding up after that?
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Freda_Last Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >... > > Gratitude Training is deceit. They warm people up > slow. > ... > > People do not know they are being lead in to a > thinking that is anti-familia and anti-respectable > and sometime anti-consent. > > If you say you are respectful of familia or > marriage or sex i
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* As to not interrupting, you can hold a thought to voice when the person speaking to you is finished, but as soon as you start to speak, they will say that they are busy, and walk away. This happens a LOT. They ALWAYS get in the last word that way. You never get to say or ask what you were going to say/ask. They treat you as if they assume that it was not important. This is very invalidating, a
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I'm sorry that i can't really answer this. I might have a different definition of "depravity," as I really have no objection to anything that goes on between, truly informed, truly consenting adults. In other words, I really don't care who does what, or with whom, as long as they are consenting adults. That is not an L.E. "flea," by the way, I was always lik
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They really try to control your focus, and they will often use terms that are tied to something legitimate, such as "being present" to describe what others call active listening. Active listening is a great skill. It helps people in both business and in their personal lives. The problem occurs when they bend such a concept to the extreme, where they are asking you to ignore thing
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Yes, all of the responses in that link make perfect sense. I once saw a bar sign that said: "When you can't dazzle then with brilliance, Baffle them with bullshit!" I personally think L.E. relies heavily on that. A lot of people seem to think that if they can't comprehend something, then the person speaking must be smarter than they are. Not wanting to look stu
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So in other words, he appears to be love-bombing your friends on f.b. I had a thought. You could just paste this article, (or one like it), on your f.b. page, and just make a comment that it has some interesting information that you stumbled across.
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Throughmyeyes, I should add that a lot of the Lekkies DO plug Landmark on social media. Also, when I was in Landmark, the people in my seminar group kept pushing to get me onto f.b, as I had never used it before. Since then, I have seen the f.b. page of my recruiter, and of course, under things she likes, there is Landmark. I don't know how far they go with this, but they are
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Throughmyeyes, What he's doing on social media sounds a lot to me like triangulation, which is a classic narcissist tactic. As we know, Landmark seems to turn seemingly normal people into narcs. I had something similar happen to me, via someone whom I now believe to be a "dark triad" narcissist. They beat you to the punch by contacting YOUR friends and giving them the version
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Aha! I was thinking about the mind-numbing and emotion-deadening effect of the LGATS, and remembered  your question as to why the Lekkies are always smiling. I have heard comments from people who consider themselves "enlightened." I remember someone saying that they don't feel as upset, but they also don't feel as happy. I also feel this numbness.  It takes away both the h
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Throughmyeyes, I heard that all the time, and especially from the person who recruited me. Funny thing was that i had enjoyed hanging out with her BEFORE she got into Landmark. After that - not so much, We were in a social group together, and she got everyone in that group to do the forum. At that point, the quality of the group deteriorated. Where before, there had been free and open di
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Freda_Last Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The training makes people think that only people > who do or have done the training understand each > other. > > On the Gratitude Training private forum they talk > about people who have not done the training like > they are on lower level of life. > > So many drug and sexual addicts
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Freda_Last, I watched the short version. It looks to me as if she was trying to obscure the points that people make about G.T.'s potential destructiveness by arguing over definitions. The joke about the cool-aid was in very bad taste.
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