rswinters, sorry, i did not do the quote thingy, my :lol: was in reference to your comment about the duckss poop hitting the deck, 'shad'
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Rswinters, and dazed and confused; so right rs, the venting and sharing really helps. I used to tell my clients, don't sit up there in your room alone crying, (and giving yourself a headache and getting puffy red eyes - they would laugh at that!) ...come down to the office and talk to one of us (support care workers)...having someone bear witness to your pain, witness your tears, that is
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Hi Rswinters; :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: luv, etc, 'shad'
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yep, that's what I've noticed, and they have the money to do it eh? -- it's really "peanuts" to them, and probably they find a way to write their legal costs off as a business expense. That is why I want to get someone bigger than them to see what they are doing.
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yes, Melburn_oz, it is mind-boggling - the rate at which they are "infecting" people. I was thinking last night, it would be easier if my friend was shooting herion into her viens, at least then people would believe me. I am so frustrated. But I think we have to speak out, at least we may be able to save other people, or help other families if they hear about these programs B
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HAH HAH HAH HAH , "poops like a duck", , i like that ~passionate~, very funny! 'shad'
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Hi Army-of-me, I agree with you with regard to the "bickering" ...and I think the reason this is happening is because of "misplaced anger"...I experienced this with my friend...I think on one level she knows she's "been had" , but on another level she has to "save face"...she is angry with Landmark, and maybe at herself
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Hi Vic-Luc, I wasn't thinking so much as sueing go get money as a reward, but rather to bring a strong message to the LGATs to be more responsible for what they are doing. But the money would be helpful if the person needed therapy, or in the case of the man's wife who has been sent to jail. Thanks for your reply 'shad'
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Hi melburn_oz, I feel for you, I honestly do, as I have been through the EXACT experience with my friend who has completed the Advanced Course. You know you are talking sense, but it is JUST NOT GETTING THROUGH. I felt like I was going crazy, then I remembered something I had heard a long time ago, it is a phrase: "mind-f******" (pardon my bad language, but that is the phar
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Hi Vic-luc What about a family member. as in the case of a wife who has joined Landmark/EST, Insight, et al... Can the husband sue on grounds of "Alienation of Affection"? 'shad'
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Good for you, persophone, I'm glad you did not get sucked into the PSI vortex. You still have to be careful thought, as these organizations keep popping up with different names. Remember, do not sign unthing until you have read the fine, fine print. If you do sign something, make sure you keep a copy for yourself. Understand the meaning of a Concent Form. People sign these without ful
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Dear Passionate, The objections here are not simply that people do not have a good experience. You have obviously not read all the comments on all the boards. While I will acknowledge some people MAY have a good experience, I am suggesting that they would have an equally good experience for a lot less money. But the truth of the matter is, as I found out yesterday from my friend, who
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Dear avc123, comparing LGAT programs to coleges is ludricrous. Colleges do not ask you to sign "secret" documents and make promises. Colleges print a detailed cirriclum for each course, and the student knows just what to expect. Colleges do not use hypnosis and therapeutic tehniques on students WITHOUT THEIR CONCENT. So please, don't try to fool us with foolish com
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avc123, I did group therapy many many years ago,; from 9:30 to 12:00 noon, that is approx 3 1/2 hours. We were allowed water, but we were not allowed food or tea of coffee, or any beverages with sugar or caffiene. And it was expressly explained to us that sugar, cafiene, or any type of food will enterfere with our emotions. i.e., these substances would suppress our emotions, and we would not
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My objection is not with some of the content which Landmark uses. It mimics therapy techniques utilized by reputable counsellors and psychologists. BUT, what I do object to is the fact that they call their program "educaitonal", they say they are not doing therapy, which they are, they charge too much money for what little good a person, might, just might, get out of the progr
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Hi Skeptic, uh huh, no problems. I was commention on Glen7's comments. 'shad'
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I just had another thought: with reference to all LGATs, I wonder if there is a practice of discarding people who do not "present well". By this I mean, there will always be some people who are more articulate than other. So once a recruit has spent all their money, and has nothing else to suffer, I wonder if the breakdown occurs with they are discarded by the Leaders. The
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correct me if I am wrong, but the CDs enviro-cop talks about probably do not contain subliminal messages, but rather are simply used as tools to "trigger" to an emotional response then at that emotionally vulneral time the Leader will "anchor" a message in the recruit. I think the music will change, depending on the age of the recruit. People who know more
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damaged by association said: quote:"...controlling, verbally and mentally (minimally) abusive courses." When I worked with abused women it always alarmed me how frequently they MINIMIZED the abuse. Even some of my co-staff were in the habit of minimizing abuse. I learned very early on you can't say, "Well, her abuse was worse than mine"...abuse is
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Hi Ghost Dancer, Skeptic, Question Lady....and all other who are experiencing loss, or can I say "Alienation of Affection"- could you please find time to write to: The Honourable Wally Oppal, Attorney General Rm232 Parliament Buildings P.O. Box 9044 Stn. Prov. Govt. Victoria, British Columbia CANADA V8W 9E2 and outline your experience and the problems you have come up
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hey there Rswinters1, I'm glad you have reconsidered, and look forward to your participation here as soon as you feel able. Take care of yourself, sincerely, 'shad'
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Hi skeptic, yep, I saw a show about "the sweetheart swindler" on 50/50 I think...that is why all good psychologists will tell you not to get into an intimate relationship with someone until a good year has passed. That way you are not as vulnerable, and can make better judgements. (Well, one of the reasons anyway.)... we also have to remember that we don't live in a w
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error: Please not that I made an error in transmitting the address for the Attorney General of British Columbia. the correct P.O. box number is 9044 Stn. Prov. Govt. I also want to encourage EVERYONE, no matter which LGAT programme you are dissatisfied with, or what country, state or province you live in. Please write to: The Honourable Wally Oppal, Attorney General Room 232, Parl
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QuoteKatydid, I can only hope you find relief for your pain. There are SO many factors in "disease." I really think the leader DOES make the forum. They are human, after all. Mine was abusive. Hope There are many different levels of "abuse" - physical abuse is easy to identify, verbal abuse a little less so, and psychological/emotional abuse ce
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CORRECTION: I think i might have posted the wrong address for the Attorney General of British Columbia. However, no matter where you live I am encouraging everyone who has been damaged/hurt by a LGAT program, no matter which name it goes by, to help me in bringing attention to these unethical and potentially damaging organizations. Please write to The Honourable Wally Oppal, Attorney
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I DO fear Landmark (aka EST)... it is a natural response to fear something threatening... Landmark(EST) has threatened and instigated Lawsuits against many people who have attempted to "shed light" on Landmark(EST) unethical and potentially dangerous practices. Landmark(EST) has a batillion of lawyers behind them, and lots of money to scare people who question their pot
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"to say that hypnotising without their knowledge is ok as long as they come out feeling happy" is ludricrous beyond belief!!!!! THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS! that would be like saying it is ok to give someone a date rape drug if, after they are raped they don't feel bad. It is NEVER ok to do something to a person without their knowledge, no matter what the o
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I too hope that rswinters comes back to the Forum, but certainly have to respect his decision. I want to encourage everyone who reads the message boards to help bring attention of all LGATs to the attention of people who can make a difference. I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness as I have not yet recieved any reply or acknowledgement from the Attorney General's office. I appe
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CORRECTION; I was here once before, but it seems like such a long time ago, I forgot.... I would also like to add, that initially I did think that the particular LGAT group that I was exposed to (Landmark) has some merit, however, since May I have reversed that opinion. Some of the ideas they grab on to certainly have merit, (they have been copied from people who DO have integrity), but in t
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hi, this is the first time for me at this section of the Forum, mostly I have stayed at one or two other... but there seems to be a common thread running through most of peopl's comments and that is "we can't do anything about it because we are participating voluntarily".... It was not until I attended one of the recruiting sessions for the THIRD time that I real
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