Vic Luc wrote:Quote"Vic-Luc "...she shared on many occasions that she'd told a crowd of 50 people intimate details about _my_ life. I never signed a release granting permission.".[/quote yep, Vic-Luc, this is interesting. I remember about a month ago I said point blank to my friend: "I do not want you sharing personal information about me with people a
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Quote"Zorro The second and equally Big Flag was that the woman I am dating told me that I wasn't the same man that she had met and that I wasn't thinking for myself. I was like what the hell are you talking about? I didn't like what she was saying at all. This caused me to start thinking about what could have happened. Eventually I tracked it back to when I took the Adva
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atravel: you wrote: QuoteatravelVic luc how old are you? You come across as extremely childish and looking for 'attention'. Your posts are emotional and they lack grounding and hard factual data. You come across as an angry immature individual. This is NOT a place for this kind of behavior. Some people come here looking for guidance who have been deeply troubled by these seminars and/o
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Quotesonnie_deeHi shadow, I trust in the future you will perhaps read things fully before jumping to conclusions that I was defending landmark. hi sonnie_dee; that goes without saying - did you see my public appology? regards 'shad'
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Hi ON2 LF, pretty darn expensive lesson, eh? regards, 'shad'
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Hi ON2 LF; Right...thanks for the clarification.. i am not sure where I got the idea she was pro-Landmark, maybe I was just tired and confused what she was saying with "quotes"...anyway, I have just spent some time reading some of her numerous back-comments... so my apologies to sonnie_dee, now that I think about it, I think I might have been confusing her with someone on a
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Yeah, it's really sad hey...so many "emotional cripples" hobbling through life. As if life does not have enough stressor to keep us down, now we have to add this contrived strees (the bluddy LGATs)!!! Another friend was telling me about a friend of hers who is now involved with "the Secret". My friend told me that this woman has been involved in sever
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sonnie_dee, Quote"sonnie_dee"QuoteJust to clarify I am no longer involved with landmark at all and I have a lot of better things to use my time and talents on... ah huh, so why are you wasting your time here defending Landmark? 'shad'
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sonnie-dee, Shareholder, eh? well that explains why you are defending them!!! An investigative reporter provided the information about the 50%, and given the fact that even to this day the "leaders" lie about the EST connection, it is not surprising that you would not have known about it. It is also not the first time that a Board of Directors have not disclosed all pertin
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quote] Filling my assisting teams were a hard part of the role, it was really about manipulating people to give up their time to help me in my job simply because the role was too big for one person to do alone. Landmark makes money because they keep the number of paid staff to a minimum. If they were to pay people to do the work assistants they would probably close down simply because of the
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destinyawaits, just stop...I am not going to engage in futile mental jousting with you...you can have the last word if you like...I am not accepting your justifications and promotion of Landmark/EST, and any other LGAT. 'shad'
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dear destinyawaits, while you say you are not condoning cults, the tone of your comment seems to "excuse" them...in my opinion there is no good reason or excuse for taking money from people on the pretense of offering them a better life. We know these individuals are no better than bank robbers or emotional rapists. They are bad, immoral, selfish people, there is nothing good
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perhaps it would be quicker to call 911 if one is feeling suicidal? That way you would have ambulance/or police, who could patch you directly to a crisis line. 'shad'
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a friend of mine was nearly kidnapped by the Moonies. Her ex-husband literally dragged her away from them where they were waiting in the line-up at the border crossing at the Peace Arch. She later showed me a couple of shoe-boxes full of the literature they had given her, and explained to me how they had slowly infiltrated her life. After befriending her they kept her captive in her own apar
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hi SaneAGain, I found "cults 101" quite informative and helpful....- did you? 'shad'
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[quote="skepticPerhaps the longer she defends it the more she has to keep defending it. skeptic; what I learned was that the more we try to argue against the LGATs the more resistance is built up in the "recruited cultist"...I certainly have seen this in practice with my friend. Now I just kind of try to slide in a side door...i don't question her integrity.
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sonnie-dee, so I'm curious about how come it costs so much money to learn how to assist, as I have seen what these "assistants" do, sit at a table and hand out little name tags, and little cards where people write in their name. Most Grade 9 students could do this after 15 minutes of instruction. Yet it seems to me that one has to spend in excess of $1,000.00 to learn h
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destinyawaits, you wrote: Quote"destinyawaits"Involvement in a cult is essentially no different than involvement in any group." quote. -- wrong wrong wrong...involvement in a cult is completely different from a non-cult group! --- wake up! your wrote further: Quote"If, however, you are born into an abusive environment this becomes your normality and as a
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Sane again wrote Quote Do you have any other references to studies oof these anger releasing techniques? I've searched all over but mostly get promotional stuff :roll: nope, SA, I don't, that was just something I remember reading awhile ago...in the course of my studies years back. 'shad'
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thanks, ajinajan, i will do that, right now I have to take a bit of a break...my wrists and chest are really inflamed. more later, regards, 'shad'
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hi Vic-Luc...' well, she finally e-mailed, then phoned, she had night-mares last night, so she slept in...we went shopping....I made no reference to Landmark, or to her boyfriend...she only mentioned his name once. she was ok. and she has plans to do something with a non-Landmark friend tomorrow....and I have to pick up something from her place on Monday or Tuesday...I will feel a little
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P.S. I just tried to access the site that I listed above, but it is not working, so I will have to see if I can find the proper links in my "favourites" REGARDS, 'SHAD'
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Hi Vic-Luc I don't think she is done with it yet...I still believe she could easily slip back...it is early days yet...she still has a last "free" seminar to attend on the 10th of this month, but I am going to do everything in my power to keep her away...I have not yet been able to establish if she has an CDs from them...if she has I want to try and get rid of them. t
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i agreed to go to my friend's "graduation" from the Advanced Course, still hoping that I could stop her from going to any more, - at that time she was told about this fabulous speaker who was coming to town the following week...dead tired, but still determined to keep her out of the clutches of Landmark/EST (landmark will revert back to werner Echard in 2009) - and because
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ON2LF wrote: Quote"I came to realize that my grief was just more ammunition for her..." ... yep, I was talking to an old friend of mine, a really clever man, and he told me that when I talk to her I have to remain calm and rational, that as soon as I start to cry she will see that as weakness, ...and that the Landmark people will have programmed her, telling her that there
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Quote "The trainers are very practised at going into rages. Inquest also has a formal anger process, where people are put in the dark with the music of beating drums, and taunted by shouted insults and sometimes slaps and pokes from the trainers, to hit the floor with sticks and scream. The process goes on for two hours, and during that process usually at least a few people vomit, and
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Thanks for the sane words, saneagain, to our friendly neighbourhood "therapist"...I could not articulate what I was feeling myself when I read "suspect's" comments...I have been vicariously traumatised by my friend's association with Landmark.... "suspect" sounds to me like a "Plant" if you know what I mean. I h
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further, suspect, my friend's boyfriend dumped her yesterday, she is an absolute wreck. He also stated that he noticed a huge change in her, and not for the better. She has been totally destablized, half the time she does not know what she is talking about, she has mood swings that she never had before Landmark, .... on some level she knows that Landmark is to blame, but she is not able to
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Suspect, yep, it does sound preachy, and my feelings are completely invalidated by your statements. 'shad'
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I think people should be able to express their anger here, and I agree with others (can't remember their names offhand now) who reminds us that every one has a different "recovery" stage/time period. regards' 'shad'
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