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14 years ago
Concerned Oz
This annihilation of the human will for the "Divine Will" has implications and similarities to most other cults. In theory, if a person seeks the "Divine Will", that person is attempting to be God Like or even God. If the group has led this friend of yours to think that she possesses the Divine Will, of course she thinks she is entitled to correct everyone because she think
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
14 years ago
Concerned Oz
A transcript of emails from one of the heads in the Divine Will Cult to a former member. I can personally vouch for the authenticity of the writings, (and no, it is not me): Oz
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
You have quite a research project here. While some many of these groups may have similar objectives, they may not be all connected. I would suggest you investigate the origins of YWAM for a connection or an affiliation during their course of history with "HELP..." My recall of the YWAM situation with my friend is vague being 20 years ago. She went to a mainstream Christian Church l
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Don wrote: QuoteI guess what I am looking for is a positive answer. This website is negativly geared because it's the easy road. It's easy to take what someone else says and pick it apart. (People can do that even with Jesus' words). But it's very hard to actually stand up and say postive things, such as this is the ONLY way, or these are the ONLY true Churches Don, This w
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
The Fathers House - Phil - is directly conected to Youth with a Mission - YWAM. You can search YWAM ion the rr db. I lost a friend to YWAM 20 years ago. Some of the other orgs. you have listed are either or both "Youth" orientated and Christian based pentecostal. YWAM is both pentecostal and youth. I don't know if this links anything for you? What is your interest/concern
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Don, You are being very frank about what you are looking for. I seriously recommend you read the link on Warning Signs Rick has given you. The Dilemma you seem to have is that you are searching for meaning and that you understand that both ethical organisations and unethical organisations, (cults being some of those), offer answers to the meaning of life. My concern for you is that your
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Greg, I am a little bit perplexed as to where you are going with your arguement towards RR here. I understand that Christianity is dear to you as it is to me, and so therefore, so would be its doctrines such as the gift of free will. Primarily, this board and site from my understanding is about raising awareness about coercive persuasion which is an attack on a person's free will.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Hi Richard, As a Catholic, Pope JP2 was not liberal in his views, he was just stating a theological principle of the Catholic Church that Judaism is a saving tradition. There has been much good work done over the years in generating positive inter-church dialogue and mutual understanding. A note to Pocodulce: The Charasmatic Movement in the Catholic Church was inherited from the Christia
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Just some points: * Are we hard wired to believe or is it critical thinking based on reasoning and logic that allows us as humans to hypothesise about the unknown? * Faith or belief can be unproven but needs to be rational. Reason is the handmaid of faith. * Belief that I can dematerialise and pass through a wall is unreasonable and defies the laws of science but belief that a supreme be
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Hi Lug, I gave the attached link of a sociological and psychological study of Lifespring to my girlfriend who had done Landmark Forum and Advanced courses. She stated later to me, that 95% of this paper was representative of her Landmark courses. What is also interesting is that this paper was researched in 1983 while my g/f did her courses in 2003, 20 years later. So, in 20 years, 95% of
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
The article below transcribed from The Age broadsheet newspaper in Australia is reporting on Australian Federal Police interest in using deprograming techniques to combat terrorism by extremist groups, as done in Europe and Indonesia. This story was on 6pm news too and can only increase general public awareness in areas of mind control. Coments... Oz
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Wiser Aussie, Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad my research and expereince with Kiyosaki and Money & You are in some way helping you to heal from the affects. Your writings have helped me too as I now remember things i had forggoten and can now debunk the disinformation that I was exposed to through his manipulative techniques now over 15 years ago. Oz
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Australia's Channel 7's national breakfast show, "Sunrise" is wishing to talk with people who are/have been involved in cults and from people who know of someone involved with a cult... This story in the making has probably been created through the current interest of Scientology's Tom Cruise's friendship with James Packer, the heir to Australia's biggest
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
On a recently posted news article on this site: ”God’s Millionaires” Pentecostal churches are not waiting to inherit the earth. They are taking it now, tax-free. Business Review Weekly Magazine, Austalian/May 26, 2005 By Adele Ferguson I quote: QuoteNabi Saleh Elder of Hillsong Church, a director of Southern Cross College of the AOG, a director of Jerry Savelle Ministries Interna
Forum: Destructive Churches
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Nutrino - Not only is your last discourse entertaining, it provides some further insight into what power is and what it is not and how Landmark has duped the poor Grads into thinking it is FREEDOM. Further, this freedom is rationalised in Landmark constructs through the deconstruction of object and meaning. You have provided insight into how Landmark philosophy propells human understanding bac
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
CAUTION: Kiyosaki is on the road again doing a 2 day seminar: Scottsdale, Arizona 18 March-19 March 2006 Scottsdale Resort and Conference Center - Scottsdale, Arizona Saturday - 8.30am to late, Sunday 9.00am to approx. 6.00pm The cost is $2,500 for the 2 days and is open to his graduates of Robert Kiyosaki's 3-Day Investing programs. (Pow Wow Events is the old Money & You
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Hi Laura, From time to time the issue of Landmark and Children arises and below is a link to a thread which in turn has further links on the subject. Pressuring children into Landmark for Teens The sad thing about the time modified version for Young people and Teens Forums is that Landmark makes the course shorter because there is less resistance to thought reform amoung the young. The
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Judging an organisation or event by its fruits and/or roots alone can lead one into a false conclusion. Bad roots can produce good fruit - ie: the Masonic Hospitals. Given that our visit to Hillsong was in May 2005, I can't recall the Landmark terminology spoken by the pastor but at the time we definately noted it. The reason for its existence and the Pastor's exposure to a shared ph
Forum: Destructive Churches
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
I have started this thread as a fact finding method to investigate any links to this Church in the North Western suburbs of Sydney, Australia with Landmark Education. As background information, please refer to: And the Hillsong Church website: This Assemblies of God, (AOG) Church preaches the Prosperity Gospel - basically, God wants you to be healthy and wealthy and if you are not, y
Forum: Destructive Churches
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Wiser Aussie is exact in his recalling of the events in Money and You. What he has written has refreshed my memory of many things I had forgotten from my experiences as a participant and assistant during 1990-1. It has taken awhile for me to read this thread and respond as I did not want to revisit areas I had forgotten - but now I have :) I have written previously about my expereince in anoth
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Excalibur Wrote: QuoteIt would be interesting to see a copy of Landmark's waiver. Does anybody have the wording they can post here? Does Landmark give their participants a copy of the documents they have you sign like any reputable company would do? The following link is to a thread of Nov 2004 that gives links to an embeded copy of the Landmark Participant Agreement together with an
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Hi Lucas - there is a thread from about 2 years ago that lists a number of organisations that have had LE style consulting and there is mention of this on the LE site. One LE flagship example was BHP Steel in New Zealand. Key measurables were given pre and post consulting. What would be interesting is measuring a corelation to divorce rates and relationship breakups in this company and others a f
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
There are probably a few legal points on which LGATs could be brought to trial: 1. Truth in advertising 2. Declaring false statements particularly in the agreement signed by participants, (Landmark), where LE declares that it is not a Psychotherapy session; (refer the thread somwhere on this site on the LE agreements); 3. As LGATs are practicing Psychotherapy, they are doing so without a licen
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Hi qtc, I'm from Australia, which is also a democracy. We down here also believe in freedom of the press, (media). However, with a right, comes responsibility. Currently there are public discussions down here that were originally raised by a Judge that our society is loosing how to be polite and have manners, and show respect and consideration for all. The balancing act for the medi
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Ether - I got my girlfriend out of it after 3 months and she recovered from all the denial and magical / false thinking after a further 15 months. Do a search on my posts for details if needed. What worked in our case was presenting the philosophy of LE (perverted existentialism) with her religion and letting her see the stark contrast. Then i presented the evidence of the thought reform proce
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Hi Kate, I am sorry to hear of your sister's tragic death and you and your family's needless loss. Being from Sydney too, I am interested in following this one. My search on the name came up with several local organisations from Clothing, Drug rehab, business training and counselling. Can you provide the correct link to this org your sister was involved in? Oz
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
HI Cujo, From the Accelerate Training website on their trainers: Quote John Hanley Sr. Dr. John Hanley is senior member who has been hired to personally mentor Philips. With him, he brings his background as a pioneer in the field of non-traditional education." As the founder and former CEO of Lifespring, Inc., the preeminent personal-effectiveness training in the 70s throug
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
HI and welcome Wiser Aussie, Thanks for mentioning Wayne Morgan. I forgot his name. He led my LGAT Money and You too and Kiyosaki led the other two courses i did. i recall we all wanted to be like Wayne. Some of us for years also picked up his Texas accent slighty which i have written about last year in this thread. I fogot about no watches during the course and i also can't manage to
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
I've just sent them an email as follows: From: Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2005 4:25 PM To: 'founder@avemarisstella.com' Subject: Regarding: Restore the Authenticity of the Legion of Christ Hello, Regarding Edward Looney’s pro forma petition against The Rick Ross Institute, I am quite shocked at the attack on Mr Rick Ross referring to him as: “You must be filled with je
Forum: Destructive Churches
15 years ago
Concerned Oz
Coz - As a Catholic Christian, I felt a bit embarrassed at that petition. Three points stick out for me: 1. Refering to Rick Ross as "You must be filled with jealousy, envy, and hatred. Diabolical" 2. They think it is their mission to restore holiness to the church. 3. Comments regarding their authodox practices infer that the rest of the church is in error which I find highly
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