Auto, its great to hear from you! Thanks for the update. From recall it may have been the start of the year you last posted. What is interesting is that in all that time, nothing really changes. The Landmark victims are still out there among us in society and we are all bound to come across them from time to time. What is so sad is that they all think and act the same while really they thin
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The following is a list from the website below which may help in investigating the origins of particular groups. The writer links these groups to the Esalen Institute in Big Sur California. I am not endorsing the viewpoint of the writer in its full text, (I have not read it all yet), but am acknowleging the relatedness of the LGATs to each other and their founders as factual. . - Sil
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Here is a more detailed account of the Mind Dynamics / Lifespring /Est/ PSI connection from Steve Pressman's book: A Door to Door Mind Salesman by Stephen Pressman from the book Outrageous Betrayal published by St. Martin's Press Copyright © 1993 Stephen Pressman Oz
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PSI Seminars was founded by Thomas Willhite from Mind Dynamics, one of the first LGATs from the 1960's. Est/Forum/Landmark Education has Mind Dynamics as a source too. The following link on Mind Dynamics makes reference to Werner Erhard, (the founder of Est/Forum/Landmark Education), as a Mind Dynamics Instructor. Here is an excerpt from the link: When Leadership Dynamics and Mind
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Just as an update, I believe that the 60 Minutes research into Landmark Education is still current. If you have a story of your own personal involvement, please ring them. Oz
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Glam - in your last posting, you made reference to "Pathology as "Personal Growth": A Participant-Observation Study of Lifespring Training" as a help for Landmarkians and those recovering. I passed this to my ex girlfriend 5 weeks ago who was in Landmark. Last night she told me that she read it and found that 97% of it related to her experience even though it was a psycho
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To answer this question, one needs to understand that there are two processes running in the course: 1. The psychological process created by the room environment manipulation, restricting sustenance to only the meal at dinner, the long hours causing sleep deprivation and the implied threat of not breaking out from the group think, being at all times "coachable" and the use of "d
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I understand your point about Bucky, Coz. I also understand what you mean about how taxing it is to stay with Bucky's writing and speaches. He seems not to process ideas and speach linealy but in series so to speak... I recall listening to his tapes in Kiyosaki's LGAT and his diction too was hard to follow but his mind is great. Earlier we had uncovered how Werner Erhard tried to
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The following report of a 1979 joint interview of R. Buckminster Fuller and Werner Erhard is quite interesting. Back then, both men seemed to be of similar minds. Readers of this thread will recall that Kiyosaki's LGAT used the "Generalised Principles" of Buckminster Fuller and that Kiyosaki had done Werner's Est. Kiyoskai's LGAT had components of Est and Landma
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In various posts on this site and other reports, we have read instances where after a person has participated in an LGAT, (Large Group Awareness Training), they have taken their life - suicide. Refer member "Engine271" comments about his friend's suicide on this thread: It appears that possibly murder is also linked to participation in Landmark Education LGAT courses. The
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Behind all these stories is psychological/spritual disorder which manifests and perpetuates in relationship/family breakdown. What I find interesting is how the linguistic side of the Landmark course content, (the re-defining of words and use of grammar), can be translated into other languages, such as French and German and be just as effective. It appears that the Landmark process cuts thr
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Montreal, - thanks for providing the translation. I am interested to know more about the alleged suicide and the alleged murder possibly caused through involvement in Landmark Education France. For further info on other alleged Landmark related Murders, please refer to this thread: I have included below for cross reference purposes a thread on Landmark Education France which reports on
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In the following thread, Montreal has included a French translation of a report into Landmark's infiltration into IBM France. It appears that the suicide referred to in the French translation of the Channel 3 investigation of this thread may be the one referred to at IBM France. Also mentioned is reference to a murder. Landmark Education France had denied that the suicide and murde
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Benny Hinn preaches what is called the "prosperity gospel" which states that God wants all people to be healthy and wealthy. If you, for instance, have a physical disease or impairment and through your faith you asked to be healed and you are not, it means that your faith is either not sufficent enough or you have sin that is impeding God's miraculous grace from healing. Again,
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As to the symbol you have shown, I don't know other than it looks like an occult symbol and there is an occult connection in the higher "degrees" of Freemasonary. The following website gives a good general overview of the origins, structure, practices, beliefs and symbols of the Freemassons: In it there is a paragraph on symbols and on God, both of which indirectly connect
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Hi hsuchij, It is good of you to write what worked for you in the hope that others may benefit. I may add to the list - fresh air, sunlight and exercise. I'm interested in your blood test with an elevated CPK reading. I am not a medical doctor so I looked up the following website to see what it meant: Excusing consumption of various substances, physical trauma or medical interv
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According to the article on this website there is a Lifespring connection. “LIFESPRING” FOR CHRISTIANS? MOMENTUS AND MASHIYACH MINISTRIES ATTRACT FOLLOWERS AND CONTROVERSY Daniel Tocchini’s Mashiyach1 Ministries, best known for its Momentus Training Seminars, has launched into the general trade book market with the publication of Killing the Victim before the Victim Kills You, authored by
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From looking at the website, this group looks at the very least, a high demand organisation. There appears to be a "high demand for purity" within this group. From the website: The Momentus Series-Breakthrough Training, developed by Daniel Tocchini, produced by the Association for Christian Character Development, (ACCD) is a powerful and life changing experience. The Breakthro
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Hi Toyer, Your girlfriend has had 15 months to absorb the full "understanding" of the Forum and I presume she has also done the Forum In Action Seminars too. If she does the Advanced Course, she will absorb it like a sponge. If she seems distant now, she will be more distant after it. The Advanced Course has 2 major damaging components to it: 1. There is extensive time devoted
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QuoteHe basically says if you want to be rich, become an owner of a large, profitable corporation, AND become a professional financial trader, AND a professional real estate investor. I recall vividly in Kiyosaki's LGATs in Sydney during the early 1990's that so many times he castigated people for making money on the stock market. He referred to them as parasites because they did not
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Landmark Education attests to the fact that children and Teens absorb the course content quicker than adults and this is the reason why Forum for Young People 8-12 and Forum For Teens 13-17 finish each day in the early evening rather than going into the night to induce sleep deprivation in order to reduce defences. A theory supporting this may be that children have less resistance and "tr
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Does anyone know about this organisation? www.discoveryaustralia.org.au There appears to be similarities with the Humanus Institute's (formally Lifespring Chicago), Discovery Course with particular reference to the "Ropes" Day. I have been right through the internet trying to find a link as their website does not give info on affiliations, trainers or history other than
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Oayche, Your comments are a terrific example of how a Landmarkian thinks and a great illustration to the uninitiated of why NOT to attend any of the Landmark courses. While some of us may cringe at the illogical nature of Landmarkian writings in cognition and expression, these examples provide a living compendium to all of what the unethically applied psychological process does to the human
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Mavi, I see that you value the notion of choice. We all make choices, some informed, some conscious and some unconscious. Am I correct in suggesting that you believe that responsibility is 100% that of the person exercising choice? Is there an ethical responsibility on the part of a vendor or MLM organisational representative to fully disclose so an inquirer can make an informed choic
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I am quite tied of the victim bashing and blaming phenomenon. Victim bashing is illogical. It suggests that the individual is fully responsible for everything that happens in his/her life - an existential perversion which can lead to a narcissistic psychological condition. It does not take into account that individuals excel in understanding and action in some things, not all things.
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1- A free Seminar series called "Forum In Action" -What happens in the "Forum in Action" courses?? -What do the participants have to do? -Do you have to take the "Forum in Action" courses in order to take the Advanced courses?? Oz – “Forum In Action” as the name states is a 4 hour session x10 that takes various principles or “technologies” learnt in the F
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1- How long after taking the initial "Forum" course, do they take the "Advanced" courses? Oz - The Forum is a 3 day weekend course followed by a graduation, (and invite friends, family), night the following Tuesday. A free Seminar series called "Forum In Action" is held for the following 10 Tuesday nights. During these 11 Tuesday Nights, the Advanced Course is he
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The Landmarkian only believes in the existance of two entities: 1. The Self and the unique experience of the self - phenominology 2. Landmark Education - the source. All other "beings" in the Landmarkian's experiential existance are there through the creation of the Landmarkian. The Landmarkian creates the possibility of that person "being" in their life for the purp
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Laslow, I noticed that you have not attempted to answer my question on ethics and Landmark. I would appreciate a specific answer. My original posting is referenced here: Dear Laslow, You claim to be a researcher attached to Mclean Hospital, a psychiatric facility of Harvard University. This organisation is a prestigious facility and I believe that the employees are highly qualifi
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Dear Laslow, You claim to be a researcher attached to Mclean Hospital, a psychiatric facility of Harvard University. This organisation is a prestigious facility and I believe that the employees are highly qualified. I would extend that the practices of the Hospital may be highly ethical and that there would be a demand upon employees, including resarchers, to be not only aware and estute
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