Mike - You are correct. My G/F's recovery from landmark was due to her religious beliefs and how those beliefs are counter to Landmark. However, I would caution to hypothesise that if an LE participant does not have Jewish or Christian beliefs that they cannot be exited from the faulty LE constructs. One needs to just take a different strategy. My opinion is that LE faulty constructs can
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Mike - What you have written is mostly correct however, I don't know in what context you are saying that LE participants never come out of their delusional state. There are people on this board who have recovered and my GF has also. She fully understands she was deusional about her abilities and totally understands she was put under a form of hypnosis during the Saturday Night Fear exerci
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The current Pope was never a Nazi Soldier. He was forced against his will into the Hitler's teen group, the brown shirts, and he and his brother managed to escape from it, I believe, before WW2 commenced. Also, the Pope is 77. That would make him 17 years of age at the end of WW2, too young for conscription. However, there are certain groups and churches that would like to believe that
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Hi Jocie, I am in Sydney as I notice you are and I know of a psychologist on the Central Coast, 40 minutes from Hornsby. He did his internship with Wellspring in Ohio and so is experienced in this specialised area of counselling. I will send you a PM with contact details. To answer your question about medication: Read as background this paper from Rick Ross: This paper spells out th
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Nutty - sorry for my late reply. How did you go with the Exit Counsellor? In one way I'm hesitating to give you how things happened for us because each case is different but here goes: * 26 Sept 2003 - Girlfriend enters Landmark Forum * Early Oct 2003 - She breaks up with me and dates a guy she did the Forum with * Mid Oct 2003 - My appeal for her to leave LE and the guy. She
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Nutty - I got my girlfriend out and the following helped. My difference is I knew her before she went in. There are two keys to switching on her reasoning processes. First Key: 1. Pass to her Singer's 6 Conditions of Thought Reform and the Lipton Model. 2. Pass to her the study on Lifespring done by a Sociologist and Freudian Psychologist. You can get links to all these resou
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From my understanding, subliminal messages are not possible when viewing a static piece of media. Please question your source that provided you with such a claim and ask them what their motivation for such an unsubstantiated claim is. Oz
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If you mean "Momentus" which originated from Lifespring, here is a thread from this board with research links for you. Oz
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The author of the book claims that there is an FBI investigation into AMWAY QUIXSTAR He also calls for people to come forward with there stories for the puropses of legal action. He was quite connected at the top end with access to Devos. Maybe it is the begining of the end. The book looks worthwhile to read. Oz
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I'm at a total loss. What is NM? Is this dialogue in the ad or is it in an LGAT? What's with all this "SIT"? Does the sandwich need exit counselling? :lol: Enjoy the weekend folks, Oz
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Hi Q.E., The links I posted in my first post are a good place to start. There is much info on the group with accounts of how to get someone out of it. There appears to be two mind control dynamics present with some "Way"people. There is the usual indoctrinationation and threats upon leaving as you have mentioned that exist in theses cult like fundamentalist Churches plus also some
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Dear Freaked Out, I agree with you that this board seems to not have many happy endings but that does not mean they don't exist. I did manage to get my girlfriend out of Landmark and I have read other accounts on other sites. You can do a search on my name as I have documented the progress over a period of 18 months or so. To exit counsel someone depends very much upon your own pat
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I've been on this board for a couple of years now and I have not seen anything quite as disgusting as "Posmanti's" reply to Concerned Dad who has lost his son to suicide through Mankind cult involment. Posmanti's post highlights how someone's attitude can be towards the misfortune of another through the unethical processes of these LGATS/cults. This is a prime exa
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If he has Sai Baba as part of his foundation of teaching then this guy is totally suspect Materialising the ring is a middle ages concept called Alchemy derived from chemists who could turn brass into gold through chemical use, somethinng that is too costly to do given the price and quantity of chemicals involved. New Age people have have appled this concept to creating something out of no
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I have recently become aware through another forum of this "church", The Way International and its link with the Large Group Awareness Traning program, (LGAT), Momentus. Here are some links: www.ex-way.com There is a relationship with this church through its members with "Breakthrough Momentus" which has been reported on this board a couple of times in the past.
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Hi $cienTomogy, I didn't realise that was your site - wow - well done! Hope you have a strategy if they try to close you down... Man - you have one sense of a wicked humour! That straightjacket is so apt! Everyone must go to this link - its a great satire on the Cruise Missile and Co$ Oz
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Acuracura did not seem to come back. It is a pitty because it would have been good to get her opinion on my comments to her point of view. I guess she blocked me out... In my reading, I have come across an experiment that may be a door open overriding the blocking by refuting a Landmark principle through experience rather than interlectual rigour which seems to get us nowhere. Blocking is on
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Bonnie - Societal prevention of cult abuse is a massive topic worthy of its own thread so I have started one and linked in your prior writings on the subject in the area of Child prevention and cults :) Combating spread of coercive cultic persuasion in society Let's keep this thread open for suicide related matters :) Oz
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Bonnie from another thread has written the following: QuoteI don't know if it's the times, the area I live in, or just the fact that I found this forum, but I'm beginning to think that cults are as great a danger to children as drugs and alcohol. I really wish that someone would initiate a cult-awareness program in the public school system on a national level. I don't t
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For the benefit of readers, no, Concerned Dad and Concerned Oz are not related :) Concerned Dad - the grief you must be feeling is something one cannot imagine - I hope you have a support group, family, system. I opened a thread on Landmark LGAT to discuss co-related murder and suicide from participation back last year sometime: Since this thread, there was a missing person's ca
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Unfortunately, you need to register with Forbes to read the article... Is there any new info in the article? Oz
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Hi Rachael, I don't know this organisation but I am responding to your comment: Quotebut still find myself wanting once again to return to Set Free and once again be part of his church My cultic experience goes back to 1991/2 and in some ways I wished it was all true but it was a gnostic and toxic lie. I recognise I was addicted to the euthoria of it all, the emotional high and th
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Kickinthehead - If you are thinking of doing the first day just to satisfy your friends that at least you tried it, you WILL NOT be able to resist the manipulation that will be applied to you to stay once you are in the room. Please check the thread - Manipulating the rooms environment. Also, if you get a lift there, (which is a landmark tactic), you are at the mercy of the other person to get yo
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I follow the practical example but I am not following how the 2nd part of the exercise translates into a Landmark prescribed successful "enrolment conversation"? Can you elaborate please? Thanks, Oz
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A common issue for former participants of cult / LGAT groups is the inability to stop using the jargon or key words that have either loaded meaning or a redefined meaning. I will speak of Landmark's lexicon as I know this.... Landmark use a series of common english words that have redefined meanings. Below is a thread on these words specific to Landmark. So why is it a problem for t
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I have friends of mine who have become involved in this "fringe" spirituality - The Kingdom of the Divine Will - KDW They claim that a "visionary" Luisa Piccarreta from Italy b1865, d1947, received visions from Jesus Christ. She wrote 36 volumes, in which contains her discourse with her alleged "Jesus" and her thoughts and spiritual exercises. To obtain the Div
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Hi Bonnie, A typical way children seem to get involved in cults is when one of the parents gets involved. This sometimes follows in divorce. The cultic parent then introduces the child to the cult during access rights. Also, when both parents are in a cult, what do you do for the child's sake? The thread below illustrates this case and it also includes other threads on the area of c
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Hi Acuracura and welcome to the board, I have taken liberty to break down your posts into my responses: ...in the Landmark courses I took (Forum, Advanced Course, SELP, various seminars, IFLP and coaching of a few programs), I learned that I had to listen carefully and DEAL with what was said to me. Not what I thought it should be, not what I thought they should mean, but exactly what they
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