Dear Onion, I am so happy to see you back and honored to agree with every word you wrote. I stand with you as you express the truth for all of us. You are am amazing advocate. Quoting Onion: " the arrogant refusal to even TRY to understand what I was trying to get thru to them just gives me all the more reason to say to those who are choosing to say loyal: BEWARE of letting these f
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Is The Church of the Living Word Christian or not? I confess that I have a critical spirit of The Church of the Living Word over many details. My biggest beef is : Where in hell does leadership in TLW or LWF think they can get by with calling itself CHRISTIAN when it's not? I took the liberty of copy and pasting thus plagiarizing googled definitions. For give me for I have sinned. Then
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I just found something interesting on a video about corrupt preachers. Around 8 minutes it tells how Joyce Meyers lowered her salary to only $250,000 She changed her status from non-profit. She will collect royalties on her books. She seemed to be a master at restructuring corporations. Joyce would sense people had pain- but she did not prophetically sens her Christian body guard would m
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I just found something interesting on a video about corrupt preachers. Around 8 minutes it tells how Joyce Meyers lowered her salary to only $250,000 She changed her status from non-profit. She will collect royalties on her books. She seemed to be a master at restructuring corporations. Joyce would sense people had pain- but she did not prophetically sens her Christian body guard would m
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i just found out that we "slaves" really fell short - TLW doesn't own any jets. Maybe that's why TLW was not on the top of the IRS list with Copeland and Hinn
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LOL! Changed for the twisted scriptures.
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm afraid that common courtesy and thoughtfulness > are not in TLWF leaders' frame of reference. I > would say that they appear to have been brought up > in a barn, but that would be an insult to farm > animals. LOL Reep, you make me laugh! Even farm kids learned good manners.
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Sunscreen is exactly the kind of lack of foresight and caring I think defines leadership like M& G of jrs. I suppose they did not even offer a glass of lemon-aid to quench your thirst nor keep you hydrated. It was all take and nothing in return except a "revelation" or "prophesy that came to pass. Talk about "unequal yoking." They did not show any hospitality or go
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As I study what I can to work towards healing I run across some interesting articles that I don't want to lose. so, I take the liberty of passing them on. i don't know about you, but, I get irritated when some one call me co-pendant. I don;t think I am, but, I'm open to learning how it applies to me. There is a good list in this link that I think is worth looking at. Gas
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "People aren’t born gaslighters like they are born > introverts or extroverts. A gaslighter is a > student of social learning. They witness it, feel > the effects of it, or stumble upon it and see that > it is a potent tool. It’s a cognitive strategy for > self-regulation and co-regulation. To be
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Changed, thank you for re-posting Posted by: reveal Date: August 17, 2018 the story is an accurate portrayal of how so many I knew were treated. It is heart breaking reality of the ways we were controlled so that a few at the top could life a life of leisure like kings and queens.
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > “Christians want to believe that everything the > church does for them is for their safety and > salvation,” he said. “That simply isn’t true, not > right now.” > > > > Apparently, clergy abuse is alive and well > everywhere. It's a wonder people go to church at > all anymo
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I think we survivors have figured out that the top of the TLW pyramid does not care about the"slaves" they abused. They have no empathy. As I piece puzzle pieces together from my perspective of the general abuse of TLW leaders, JRS for one- and there are many more- I have discovered a common thread with a subject that is distasteful to many nice people - porn - As a young women I sho
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I get irked when I hear comments like ‘ why didn’t you just call the police?’ when charges are finally filed in court on sexual abuse from the past. It's ignorant to dismiss claims of abuse. It’s not that simple when we are concerned about child abuse that occurred in TLW – just one of the many horrendous issues we are searching for resolution as survivors of the cult The Church of the L
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It seems to me if "god" or JRS or M & G is in charge Gary is now in responsible for failures not the people he is controlling. He is toxic with his Blame Game - we know that. Now, “Let’s discuss what we CAN control.” 1. We can continue to speak up publicly about the wrongs we have identified. 2. We can get a good therapist. 3. We can name names to Zalkin 4. We ca
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reepicheep Wrote: > > > Gary, on the other hand, simply fixed the legal > > structure so that he would never have to > explain > > where the money went to ANYONE! > > > True, while everyone else was being intensely > monitored for any fiduciary or other shenanigans &
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Interesting. m-m-m? I have heard over and over how M & G bragged about their s*x lives - really! No appropriate to share over the pulpit - se& was certainly on their minds. Want to pm me your thinking, changed?
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On the subject of obtaining sensitive info on > members of the fellowship: > > Posted by: Reepicheep > Date: April 21, 2019 > > There was one time that G&M had the C/TLW > construction guys build several six foot crosses > to be carried into the sanctuary during the Sun. >
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > NancyB wrote: > It’s sad that it will be hard to separates the > bad weeds form the real men who had shepherds > hearts. There had to have been good men in > leadership up to a point-that were lied to- up to > a point. Some may have been held hostage because > they had secrets held over thei
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Writing this in hind sight about The Church of the Living Word; The Walk is long past due- what I have wanted to scream out for so long had so many missing puzzle pieces blanks that I could not fit the words together to complete the puzzle to make any sense of the whole picture which is becoming much more clear to more and more of us survivors. I apologize for the length - but, I really have w
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reepicheep Wrote: > > Truer words were never epoken by this leader. > June > 4th, 1983 should have been the end of The Living > Word Fellowship. And yet the travesty continued > to torment members and devastate families. > > Why? Money? Power? A springboard to what is hoped > w
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I'm loving it. Too much intertwined mess even tho' they played with corporations. Folks, "keep those cards and letters coming." There are far more of us who know the whole truth when we put our collective heads together than the few at the top of the pyramid can keep track of the fraud and lies. Certainly Shiloh's future is in jeopardy. I understand the cemetery is
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This is an awesome video - what do you say to survivor of sexual abuse or any other survivor? "Just get over it," does NOT help. The speaker tells why people say unhelpful things to survivors. Congratulations survivors! we survived to tell our stories.
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Walked, thank you for your valuable input on November 18,2018
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Information about Shiloh University: I find it confusing that it is stated to be "Non-profit Christian" when TLW is far from sticking to "Christian" principles. Please correct me if I am wrong assuming that Gar Hargrave would be chancellor of Shiloh University and be preaching and practicing NOT-SO Christ -like messages.
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Thank you GS and Changed for sharing. Here are more links to clippings. The stories in CA did not match. Very enlightening: maybe helpful to those trying to fit together pieces. Because I grew up in Christian Tabernacle with WJ Stevens as my loving pastor and Fred Bickhart who taught the Bible I will always be partial to them as pastors up to the time of my membership under the pastor-shi
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For newbies trying to make sense of the mess with The Church of the Living Word; its sister churches and Shiloh this post explains why the mother church in Washington, Iowa broke away and even went to court. There is a link to a newspaper article- worth reading. GSchaeff Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Greetings everyone, > > I'm sharing
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Ohman? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anybody remember the bus driver. I think from > Anaheim to living word school. Ken? > I got a whooping from him while preaching the > word. Every word a spank. Not sure what I did. > Maybe deserved it but anyway He was known for his > whooping. My sis got whoop to. Thanks for sharing that informa
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > QuoteFireWalker > I saw the word "charges" and thought cops finally > got smart. Sounds like no police involvement but > instead people being brave enough to sue on their > own. Right? > > > Welcome back, FireWalker. Yes, that is correct. > Because of current statutes of limi
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Onion. I've located your post and quoting for my friends who have questions about old family donations. This will be a good start in tracking down their parents and grandparents original wishes when donations were made way back when. > I am thrilled that someone from Shiloh made > reference to restricted
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