changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Willing homes to TLW? > Asked to provide a detailed personal financial > statements? > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: Invisible > Date: April 29, 2017 > > My point in mentioning the ballroom gowns was to > show how naive I was
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Richard M. from February of this year: > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: Richard M. > Date: February 28, 2019 > > While reading everything here on page 840, > including comments by Tmason, this whole thing, > "JRS, Marilyn, Ga
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Who recalls a past post alleging $200 bottles of wine charged on church credit cards? ( I was not there- so I don't) Guess what I found? a Microsoft Word doc on Local Church Treasury Handbook m-it is Not the handbook TLW. i wonder if such handbook exists on what you can charge as a church expense. Quote below are just a few things a pastor can NOT deduct as a church expense. I think
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sounds about right. > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: Tmason > Date: July 06, 2018 > > larry bobo Wrote: > Those who have served on church corporations > know that the Bylaws clearly state that the > Apostolic Fathering Ministr
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Who owns the church property that we as members of The Church of the Living Word attended and tithed to cover the finances that were involved? Aren't we ALL questioning that right now? Hargrave and other resigned leaders have not been transparent. I think most of agree that we think the corporate re-structuring with out the people's vote or even prayer or knowledge may be unscrupu
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Inquiring minds want to know if Hargraves homes are or have been considered "parsonage"? I'm not a tax attorney for wealthy preachers- so here are the basics that the IRS says about pastors homes and income tax. Ministers' Compensation & Housing QuoteIRS Question I'm a minister and receive a salary plus a housing allowance. Is the housing allowance consid
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We in Washington, Iowa in particular thought we would have a convalescent home for our aging in the church. ZIP, Nada- Did not happen- Rip-off! Here's a link to Minimize or Avoid Problems when Abandoning Projects with Designated Funds by Richard R. Hammar QuoteChurch Law & Tax Churches that solicit funds for designated projects face difficult choices when they abandon a proje
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sounds about right. > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: Tmason > Date: July 06, 2018 > > larry bobo Wrote: > Those who have served on church corporations > know that the Bylaws clearly state that the > Apostolic Fathering Ministr
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I only met Vere once (in the late 70's) and recall > having a positive impression of him. Sad, but not > surprising, how he was treated by the two monsters > that seized control of the organization. > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: la
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The public image is of paramount importance. I > would imagine that G and company would want every > claim settled privately, without any admission of > wrongdoing. If they can push the narrative that > other ministries, without their knowledge, were > more culpable of these 'alle
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No knowledge of Rick's activities through the > years? > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: larry bobo > Date: October 22, 2018 06:38AM > > It has been Gary’s MO to direct the activities of > TLWF and then remove middle managemen
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This is extremely disturbing to read what Gary has said. I think it is a great risk for those of us who so boldly post what we see as the truth. I'm going to keep posting my typos to get the message out there, anyway. I know we who have been out for decades understand how confusing it will be for those left inside about what way to go. I takes time to figure it out - I don't kno
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I believe that lack of real revelation is still prevalent today in what remains of The Church of the Living Word. members and leaders are human beings- we all have human needs that need to be addressed by people who have the training and knowledge base to treat us. Mental health issues were never properly addressed- see post quoted below which this subject up. Beside mental health when people
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From way back on this forum I think is worth repeating some of the occult practices we were taught in TLW cult. JRS sneaked into youth groups with our parent's knowledge. it in- then in the next chapter Marilyn moved on to other things that were oh so not biblical. Since I left in '83 officially, I am curious as to if Marilyn carried on these occult practices or not? did any one eve
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Thanks, Changed for sharing then. There are so many facets and twisted mazes to this mess TLW. One of the most prevalent is the fact that leader had their buddies in leadership - how did people get placed into "ministry" in the first place? What were the requirements to be Bro in the Walk? Denominations have requirements. Non-denominational; churches have very few requirements.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This from denisewallerlaughlin last November: > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: denisewallerlaughlin > Date: November 01, 2018 > > Please people of every generation demand to follow > the money. Everyone's life is not just a story
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Or you might fall within sight of an armed > drone." > I have my fears, but so far that has not been one > of them. But perhaps I am still too naive :) "Armed drone?" What kind of spirit would that had? A good spirit or a bad spirit? Does property owner in Brazil or Hawaii giv
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: JezTheBelle > Date: November 05, 2018 > > It isn't likely reparations will ever come. Too > bad too, I have family who were wiped out by their > "double tithes" and who are destitute today -- now
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It is interesting reading the Wikipedia entries > for "John Robert Stevens" and "The Living Word > Fellowship". Certain LW members must be assigned > by G&M to monitor and try to keep these sites > sanitized. If you click on the "talk" tab, you > can read the edit
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you look at Hitler's organization during WWII, > he had a close group around him that executed his > madness. While Hitler gave the orders, it was > these SS officers that made sure these plans were > carried out. Guys like Goebbles, Himmler, and > Goring did the dirty work. Hitler insula
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I would like to share this on Facebook if no objections. Reep? Changed? I know there is a magazine link somewhere. What would be interesting to side line would be pictures of the run down communal houses many kingdom business workers lived in or room at Shiloh. Of course there would be no pictures of the convalescent home for the aging that was promised at the beginning Shiloh. - oh wa
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I have scouring old posts for the link to the magazine article about the Hargraves lovely $3.5 mil home in Hawaii. I wanted to share it on FB I have been having great mini-discussions with my old friends on FB. That made me realize that if I had been in Iowa when I left the walk I may not have left the TLW. I never wanted to leave my friends whom I trusted. What I cared about most in TLW wh
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > REEPICHEEP: > > Continuing with your WHEN PROPHECY FAILS theme, > I'm posting what I wrote on the community page. > > > THE WALK of John Robert Stevens > > > I have mentioned previously that the greatest > disservice done to all, regardless of which > generation, is wha
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have been looking at a lot of the requirements > for maintaining tax-exempt status and one > principle that I am loving is that if an > expenditure that seems to benefit those who are > connected to, or paid by, the nonprofit is > approved by the Board then all of the board > members could liable
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reepicheep Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Here is an article that I believe would be > helpful > > to many people on this forum. The title is > "Forget > > About Forgiving Your Narcissist/Psychopath: > Here's > > Why ".
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This quote is worth repeating and remembering. Now, how to reveal this in love to those still trying to figure out what side of the fence will land on? The truth is nasty- the truth is harsh - the truth destroys all of our fantasies about walking in the kingdom. Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Marilyn was not JRS' first affair - just his last.
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The State of NY just changed the statute of > limitations so that any person sexually > abused/assaulted as a minor, has until they are 55 > years old to bring an action (criminal or civil). > Hawaii extended its statute substantially but not > as fabulously as NY. California is supposed to be
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that little red flag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I hope the following (by Rick Ross, Expert > Consultant and Intervention Specialist) brings > some light. > > > Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe > group/leader. > > - Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful > accountability. > - No toleranc
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SunnyFord Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just registered last night but I decided to read > through the whole forum in October after I read > through Shalom's post and subsequent comments from > others. I do remember finding this forum once > years ago when I left and it helped to read > through some of it but got busy with babies
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My bad- I snooped. Silas has not posted since 2018 - so- I will guess he wants to private message with people to build and alliance. Facebook probably suggested it because of mutual friends.
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