I love digging deep for treasures. Here is a "gold mine" I did not know existed to be dug up. Goes to show how little of the future God revealed that could come back to haunt the likes of JRS - well worth the re-share. Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: Cloudwatcher () Date: July 14, 2018 12:20PM Cloudwatcher quoted: -----------------------
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changedagain Wrote: July 7, 2018 re: ------------------------------------------------------- > Article IV > Membership in this Corporation > > This corporation shall have no members. Any > action which would normally require > approval by members shall require approval of the > Apostolic company, and the Directors of the > corporation. All rights which normal
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changedagain wrote Date: July 16, 2019 ------------------------------------------------------- > You're a con man > You're a sociopath > You're just greedy and selfish. > You ruin everything you touch. > You don't speak a "living word" > You're a complete disgrace > > Wait...that's what I meant to tell them. > Disrega
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Quote > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: NancyB () > Date: July 15, 2019 01:22PMCan you think of any > more statements you heard in the walk that were or > were not emotionally black mailing? > Posted by: Reepicheep () Date: July 16, 2019 &g
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CultEducation.com recommended Emotional Blackmail: When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation, and Guilt to Manipulate You Paperback – July 30, 2019 by Susan Forward (Author), Donna Frazier Has anyone read this book or considered 'emotional blackmail" when in The Walk, TLW? I'm thinking about getting the book. I have read other books by the author. Are any of these
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Thanks walkenntalken for the info I wonder if "set things straight" could be coming from the "internal investigation" Gary ordered. They did have a law firm. I wonder if anyone actually contacted that one?
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Changed, thank you for re-posting Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: lone.wolf Date: November 19, 2018 Those words really pack a punch every time I have rad them. This point in particular: 1. Gary saw the Lord huddled in a corner of his home, and he said it was the first time he’d seen him in his physical being. This happened a couple nights before Maril
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maggieb () Date: July 09, 2019 There was a nice couple in Anaheim who were a bit older than I was who had adopted a little girl who was right about my daughters age who was born in 1975 as well. The little girl, named Kathrine, had dark hair and looked like Asian eyes. She was smart and very well cared for and loved by the couple. For weeks I have been trying to think of the couples
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changedagain on July 07, 2019 you re-posted some great posts that sums up a lot.Thanks! In the mid'60's I was a young teen who simply went to Christian church camp in LA. I was exposed to an enormous amounts of underage drinking among the youth at the big-time pastors homes with out parents present. I was guest from Iowa-my parents expected me to be safe. My parents did learn of th
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maggieb Wrote: Date: July 07, 2019 05:05AM ------------------------------------------------------- > Daughter of an ex-member here. Does anyone know > about adoptions taking place within the church > during JRS's time? I've read posts about marriages > and possibly abortions being strongly influenced > by TLWF leadership, but wondering if they also > facilitated
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I think the story of The Walk would make a great psycho-thriller with twisted scriptures. Here is the Biblical reference to Nephilim Genesis 6:4 reads as follows: "The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown."
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In hind sight this is almost laughable. Quote " Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: Invisible Date: October 16, 2013 12:34PM Around 1971 we began receiving phone calls at our home at any hour of the night - to pray for John Stevens, because he was under demonic spiritual attack by his wife Martha. We were told at that time, not to say anything t
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Thanks Road To Damascus for the insight when you wrote, Quote Posted by: Road to Damascus () Date: June 29, 2019 05:02PM "Something I have been noticing lately is how some people whom I love refuse to accept that anyone who has left are not hurting as much as the ones who have stayed, and that any one that left are somehow misinformed and have dropped off the front line and that God w
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On June 30, 2019 Onion wrote and I quote: "The doctor/quack got to my mom in Washington, Iowa. My first visit to Iowa after my parents moved to Iowa in 1975 included my carrying a suitcase full of herbs and laetrile among other things because my mom was told she was pre-cancerous. She lived another 30+ years so maybe all those herbs helped - we will never know. But the quack faded off into
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Hi Changed, If only we could have seen into the mind of JRS we would not be here. Having sat in 2 of Reams classes fora total of 2 weeks, I think Reams took advantage of easy prey. I think Reams was on to something but he trained few people, with the exception of maybe chiropractors, who were qualified to be practicing non-approved methods of diagnosis and treatments. FYI Only a chiropract
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Posted by: kbyrne () Date: December 15, 2018 11:34PM Quote: " It also triggered a memory about Pyramidology. I remember we were encouraged to buy these big blue volumes. They weren't cheap either. Does anyone else remember what that was about? Also, something I had totally forgot about. In Shiloh, John brought in this old "doctor." I think pretty much all of us, inclu
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On June 26, 2019 Onion wrote and I quote: QuoteForum. Cult Education " I don't know anything about people taking a vow of poverty that has to do with their right to social security, etc., but I know that as an ordained minister, you can elect to have money paid to you as a parsonage allowance not go thru the regular pay/salary/income calculation and thus avoid paying into or receiving
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Good point Onion on including the dates. My oops. When hitting the quote it does not include the date, so I will watch it from now on. There are so many bits and pieces from old posts, I felt it important for newbies reading to help by pulling things in more recent spot. I wish we could go back and edit - I miss so many -typos. I really think Martha thought they owned the church, in my o
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I recommend watching People Magazine Investigates > Cults, Season 2, Episode 5. Tonight on > Investigation Discovery Channel, The Move of God > founded by Sam Fife is investigated. This group > has very close roots to The Walk. Both came out of > the Pentecostal offshoot known as Latter Rain. >
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A number of us former members of The Church of the Living Word have concerns about things like -why was there an amphitheater instead of the nursing home that we were promised? - why did we for so long assume that the hierarchy lived sacrificially like the members did? - Were church credit cards mis-used for personal pleasures? -Why were church corporate names restructured? _ where was all
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > FCSLC Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > In the Latter Day Saint (Mormon) church, the > > clergy are not paid. It’s all volunteer time. > > That is why most of the hierarchy are > > independently well to do. > > > > In the American Baptist C
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > changedagain Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > <I'm hearing that the LW members are being told > > that Marilyn is under a vicious attack of > hatred > > from ex-members and this is why she is ill.> > > Here's another response,
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In the Latter Day Saint (Mormon) church, the > clergy are not paid. It’s all volunteer time. > That is why most of the hierarchy are > independently well to do. > > In the American Baptist Churches, a person usually > attends a divinity school and gets a degree and > then becomes a paid minis
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > RE: Dangers of a spiritual hierarchy. > > John Stevens once said, to the ministries in the > hearing of all of the congregation -" If you could > get control of all of the people and their lives > and get them to do what you wanted them to do - > you would not have the oneness that God i
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > FCSLC Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This Pope has been there and knows ------- > almost > > too good to be true. > > That's why it is baffling that Gary has chosen > this Pope to be connected to. They seem to have > opposite attitud
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > QuotejhorningI remember, after JRS died, Gary > said on a taped word that it was essentially over > for John back in 1974 (I think that was the year > he said), but they needed to keep the people busy > so they came up with the unending intersession for > him. > > John, > Do you rem
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It is interesting reading the Wikipedia entries > for "John Robert Stevens" and "The Living Word > Fellowship". Certain LW members must be assigned > by G&M to monitor and try to keep these sites > sanitized. If you click on the "talk" tab, you > can read the edit
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In this forum re The Church of the Church of the Living Word, John Robert Stevens; Gary Hargraves re-named Living Word Fellowship we have talked about plagiarism and questioned the conflict and confusion about JRS Latter Rain or not Latter Rain. I think the Walk would have been more transparent had we jsut had the book on Later Rain rather than the way JRS and m& G introduced it in such a
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These pages were shared on Facebook: how many points can you see were not ever followed through with by The Church of the Living Word ? The name was changed to Living Word Fellowship We the people were promised a certain church protocol but the promise was never fulfilled as written.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And now, from our moderator: > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: rrmoderator > Date: November 10, 2018 > > I am very sorry for the children that were raised > in destructive cults. You are right they have no > choice and this is a te
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