Quoteorangeperuviscacha(Radaph), “I can tell from what certain people have said about some of his doctrines that they either haven’t heard the whole story or they are extremely biased. Right man Right woman, is a perfect example. I believe whole-heartedly in that doctrine, and it hasn’t destroyed my marriage. It has made it stronger. And guess, what. I believe I didn’t marry my right woman. But i
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QuotetruthloverApparently there are some Thiemites that don't believe he ever discouraged anyone from reading the Bible for themselves. I was there and heard it with my own ears numerous times, but didn't have a direct quote until now. I found the following quote on the thiemite.blogspot.com site: "The soul is a receiver. The lungs of the soul are apertures designed to receive b
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QuoteradaphThe man is gruff and blunt, no doubt. But the concept of the churches being dependant on their pastors is very much a biblical concept. Pastors are called "shepherds" in the bible. Sheep need a shepherd, and they depend on him. If we could get all we need from just reading the bible for ourselves, we wouldn't need pastors and teachers. But the bible makes it cl
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QuoteMsR07Hello everyone. I'm a 19 year old female and I just joined after reading some of these discussions. (Brace yourselves because this post has nothing of substance other than to describe my recent questioning of these principles.) I have been raised on what I've come to refer to as "Bible Doctrine," under Colonel Thieme, and that's all I've ever kn
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QuotekcjonesPRAISE GOD!!!!! Wayne. WOW! GOD IS GREAT! Do NOT be afraid to SHOUT it from the Rooftops! (you know instead of sitting quietly) Be prepared to SWAMPED with his Word. It is supposed to happen. Keep reading and you will GROW! You can not image the Joy in my heart to read your words, it gives me Hope with my wife. Just keep up the reading. My humble advise is: Ap
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QuoteImjustmeMr. Jones (or Ms.), You employ the debater's ploy of misdirection very poorly, if I may be so bold. Where did I state that Bob Thieme is the equal of the men I cited in my post? Like most instransigent individuals, you are so intent upon your desire to injure him that you completely miss the point, and further, you take my comments out of context and lend you own distorte
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QuoteImjustmeI, personally, do not feel that Bobby Thieme is a pastor who can enhance my spiritual growth, Mile2. I will not comment on why, both out of respect for his father, and for the reason that God reserves the matter of judging the men (and women) in his service to himself. There are men who I feel are outright blasphemers, money hungry and power mad, but it is a slippery slope, indee
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QuoteImjustmeIf you will kindly indulge me, Mr. Truthtesty...I would like to shed some light on the topic of "right man/right woman". Assuming that you agree that The Garden, and Adam and Eve, are a literal and accurate account of creation, then you will likely also concur that God created a companion for the first man, and she was perfectly suited to him in every nuance, soul a
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QuoteTommy Tsunami God's blessings, } takes you to a page on the 4shared files web site. You will find a list of files available to listen to or download. The SECOND AUDIO FILE on the list is Pastor Graves' presentation. He includes EXCERPTS from Thieme's tapes. Especially noteworthy is the place where Thieme actually says. "Whether you like it or not, YOU are depende
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QuoteTommy TsunamiI am new here but a message board fan and found this one recently. I am also very familiar with R.B. Thieme, having begun listening to him in 1983 with a great deal of concentrated learning until the mid 90's. I am also very familiar with the objections to Thieme and Barachah church as a whole. So let me tell you my experience and conclusions. Today what is of
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QuoteTruthtestyTo the Forum: Here's a phrase that thiemites need to become familiar with - "illegitimate totality transfer". Barr's reputation as one of the most influential biblical scholars and Semitists of the second half of the twentieth century rests on both the range of his interests and the incisive character of his contributions. His first book, The Semantics
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QuotekcjonesI was doing a little reading this morning and found a stark contrast between R.B. Thieme's 'breakthroughs' in 1st John and what another bible scholar wrote. None other than William Tyndale, the man who was burned at the stake so I could read the bible, in English, not needing to knowing Latin,koine greek, or hebrew or rely on some man or men to tell me what it should m
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QuoteGeneZTruthtesty..... We should take this sort of debate where it belongs. In a Christian Forum. In a forum where many will be learning about Thieme for the first time. One in which I am not well known? Your choice. You can invite your friends, and will invite mine. Or.. it will be just the two of us, with others in the forum free to join in. I am sure you w
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QuoteGeneZI have been away to try and gather some information. I am back for the moment to see how this is received....... First.... Those involved here must realize what its like to see his/her church being attacked in this type of forum. Second.... Those involved here are obliged to verify first hand for themselves to see if the vilification is warranted. Third... Th
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QuoteGeneZQuoteTruthtesty Dr. Wall's doctoral dissertation: Another difficulty with Thieme's exegesis comes from the way he frequently communicates his conclusions. His normal way of teaching his exegesis includes retranslating each passage so as to include his interpretation. Such retranslations should be called "interpretive paraphrases" or “expanded translations.” Howeve
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tHANKS ORANGE! Well well well! Thieme does get around, doesn't he? All kinds of borrowing here. I still use e-Sword. But it does not yet have THIEME on it as far as I can tell. Thieme's errors were not always his alone. Often he has accepted common beliefs and I think it helps to realize that. The IN AND OUT OF FELLOWSHIP is one of those common errors. The BELIEVER is IN F
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FROM: November 11, 2007 09:20PM FROM TONYATL: genez: I do not know what he may have published. He spoke to me personally. TONYATL SAYS: for your story to be true a lot of strange things would also have to be true. stanley royal ashby was a 1904 rhodes scholar which would conservatively put his birth date at c. 1885. he was an english instructor briefly (1926-27) at harvard where
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QuoteGeneZTruthtesty said... It's quite possible that political powers that be within the USA, paid Thieme to teach as he did. For political persuasion of christians within the United States." Everyone read that? At first I could not believe my eyes. Well, one thing you admitted by that. He would have had the respect of those in power. Cults do not get that k
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Quotenotmuch4gamesIts been a slow week at the office, so I went through this thread(whew!) Alot has been said, but Judge Notmuch4games is ready to render his/her verdict. Considering all the people coming out of the woodwork to defend the questionable tactics of this organization, I say.....CULT! You can see how devoted, or blinded, these folks are and how unwilling or unable they are to even que
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TO RADAPH: Of course you are correct about Greek and Hebrew being "original" languages. God did choose to have His Words written and transmitted in these human languages. But "experts" so called in them are not infallible. We are nowhere commanded to learn these languages so we can get "closer" to the Truth. The Truth is a PERSON and that Person lives within e
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TO KC JONES: Thanks for your humorus summary and translation. English can be so dense at times, don't you think? If we all spoke Greek and Hebrew then we would ALL AGREE WITH EACH OTHER, since those languages are sacred and cannot possibly be misunderstood or misused. Sistersoap
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TO RADAPH: YOU SAID: If a man is truly a leader in the church appointed by God, and he is a good shepherd. Then yes, imitation is a good thing. Paul told the Corinthians "be ye imitators of me." REPLY: What verse is that? Was it 2Th 3:7 2Th 3:9 or perhaps this? Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith f
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YOU SAID: You said: I'll be honest, I didn't read your entire thread before posting my last reply, because it just sounded like more of the same to me. But I've read it now. Let me get this straight. You weren't a local member of Berachah? REPLY: Correct. I spent thousands of dollars flying to Houston to get the holier "face to face" teaching, but I was a
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I got the item about Thieme watching himself teach on video from the BERACHAH CHURCH WEB SITE on the update about the colonel's condition. It might have changed since I last looked, several weeks ago. Sistersoap
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QuoteradaphQuoteTruthtestyTo the Forum: Perhaps I should rephrase that. No human authority should be "idolized" or held in front of the Flesh and Blood authority of Jesus. Certainly, the literal Shed Blood of Christ should not be disrespected as it is by Thieme. Thieme promotes himself and demotes the authority of the Flesh and Blood of Christ. Truthtesty Yes, but who is to blam
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tHANKS, i WILL DO THAT ALSO. sistersoap
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THANKS! I will check it out. p.s. I KEEP ON CHOOSING LARGE PRINT BUT NEVER SEE IT EITHER ON PREVIEW OR ON MY POSTS. WHAT IS THE USE? sistersoap
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A friend recently expressed concern over her son's involvement with this group. Can others fill me in? I did a search on this forum for Murray and his group and was surprised to find nothing. Thanks, sistersoap
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I am I am curious to know why you thought a new thread was necessary to address your concerns? Second, I don't think you are preaching. You are simply testifying apparently of your positive experience "under" the teaching of RBT Jr. The topic of that ministry is Christian faith, and if you can't talk about the content of that faith, however others may disagree with it,
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TO THE MODERATOR: This is the SECOND TIME within the last three weeks or so that I have had to mention that I am not getting notified of new posts on this board. I don't know why this is so. I DO WANT TO BE SO NOTIFIED even if I am not able to post for a while. Why is this that I have to keep on asking to receive this service? Is it only for those who post frequently? PLEASE fix this
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