Quotehurting motherI tired to post once before I am not wanting to debate theology. My son, who was once loving and friendly, involved in Christian ministry and church is now critical, mistrusting and depressed. I believe that his problems began when he started feeding on the Thieme tapes and became isolated and seeing people in churches, except Thieme churches, as wrong and not saved if they ha
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QuotesistersoapTesty, I have a confession to make. I was wrong. about your name, as I reread our correspondence I noticed that I kept calling you the wrong name. Yours is TESTYTRUTH and I kept calling you TRUTHTESTY. I apologize. BREATHE, TESTY. TAKE IN SOME OXYGEN. BREATHE, BREATHE. Cheers, Sistersoap WELL the joke is on me, isn't it? I should know better t
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Another short item to note, Testy. I have tried at least ten times to post to one of your posts recently in the last thirty minutes. I never got to. The forum kept saying I had not signed in when I had. So I am giving it a well deserved rest for a while till the managers get their act together AGAIN. Have you had trouble posting recently? I was able to send a PM to ORANGE a while ago, but nothin
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Testy, I have a confession to make. I was wrong. about your name, as I reread our correspondence I noticed that I kept calling you the wrong name. Yours is TESTYTRUTH and I kept calling you TRUTHTESTY. I apologize. BREATHE, TESTY. TAKE IN SOME OXYGEN. BREATHE, BREATHE. Cheers, Sistersoap
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TO TESTY AND THE FORUM I see Testy is not replying to any of my questions and requests to him. He is piling up his quotes again without responding to what I say and ask specificially to and of him. Therefore, this is no longer a CONVERSATION with him, it is a pile up of quotes which it seems he is good at doing, It appears to me that he is a complete failute at TALKING WITH ME AT LEAST
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TO TESTY AND THE FORUM WHILE I AM STILL ON VACATION: July 20, 2008 06:13AM TESTY SAID: Truthtesty Perhaps it might be helpful if you would show this forum how the KJV scholars are perfectly equal to the "Living Word" without a single error. Sister {{{ONE MORE TIME: I NEVER SAID ANY SUCH THING. This is a figment of YOUR imagination and I am not required to reply to this ki
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Testy, I am sorry but I can't see the light coloered print. See you in about two weeks when you have read and responded to what I have alredy sent you. Sistersoap
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TO TESTY: YOU SAID: To Sister: I am trying to understand your position, but I am not going to present your case for you. {{{I am sorry, but what might that case be beyond what I have already said? And where do you get the idea that YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CASE FOR ME? I have simply stated my opinions as clearly as I can because to me it is relevant to Thieme, his history, his training, h
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TO THE FORUM: I have a friend who is interested in joining this forum but is having trouble signing in. She has registered as a new member, received the link to click on from Rick Ross, and she clicked on it. She tried posting but it has not show up. Today she tried to log on and got a message that there was a problem with the account. Can anyone suggest a reason for this problem or sugges
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Hi Testy, Saturday July 19, 2008 Please consult the links and read, then get back to me. If you want to carry on a conversation why not deal with what I actually say? In your most recent post, given below, you do not quote me at all. How about doing that when you refer to something I said or you think that I meant and give the source, as email or Rick Ross, or personal message on Rick Ross
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To The Forum: an excerpt from an article from 1998, by John Green called Prepared For The Slaughter: The Disarming Of The Church, given on the BEREAN CALL email newsletter of 7-18-2008, apropos of the discussion here about Thieme and others who have misled some of the body of Christ: QUOTE: Prepared For The Slaughter: The Disarming Of The Church It is very disturbing to me
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TO TESTY AND TO THE FORUM: To follow up on my last post, To Testy and the Forum: These are the basic references I recommended to Testy to read and to respond to. I make them availible here in one place to make it easier for all to consult if they would like. Some of the links I provided in my previous post did not work. Hope these do! ~ Sistersoap FROM: DUSTY PETERSON'S BIBLE
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To Testy and the Forum: The reason I dealt with the Bible version issue at all here is that learning missing facts and historical evidence about the nineteenth century process of changing from the King James Bible to the Modern Revised versions freed me from the last inappropriate authoritarian hold Thieme and his teachings had over me. I plead with all who have not examined this evidence in d
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Thanks Testytruth! You said: This is interesting and well worth further review. However, immediately I see that Dr. Chafer does make distinctions between the Authorized text and Revised Version. COMMENT: Yes he does distinguish and by doing so recognizes the fact that they are not the same. Sounds obvious, doesn't it? Things that are different cannot be the same. Maybe he
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To the Forum: I would like to add to my above post to Testy about why I think Bob Thieme Jr. went so far off base instead of staying with the Bible itself. He was vastly misinformed. As a comparison, look at a classmate of his at Dallas Theological Seminary. Dr. D.A. Waite, Jr. was at the Seminary part of the time Thieme was a student there. He received the same education as Thieme did,
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Good points about Chafer, Testy. Chafer was just a man. He does not mistake himself for God nor his work for Bible Doctrine. Thieme liked to say that Chafer called Thieme a "genius"......more name dropping. Had Thieme really absorbed and respected Chafer's Systematic Theology, Thieme would have turned out differently in my opinion. He would not have wandered so far off the Bi
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Hi Testy, It is a matter of his determination to impose his inventions in vocabulary and categories INTO SCRIPTURE rather than deriving his teaching entirely from Scripture. Which is the way it ought to be. If you want to preach things that are not in the Bible, go ahead! But clearly distinguish what is Bible and what is YOUR OPINION, or the words and opinions of other men. Do not mix the
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ADDENDUM TO THIEME VOCABULARY IMPERSONAL LOVE I doubted the wisdom of Thieme's choice of terminology IMPERSONAL LOVE/PERSONAL LOVE. I believe it is unwise and misleading to the listener to use IMPERSONAL LOVE regarding God's love for the human being as well as the human's love (saved human) for God or anyone else. Since all involved are PERSONAL BEINGS it is confusing to u
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LAST COMMENTS ON THE LIST OF DEFINITIONS ABOVE: We could probably bat back and forth details of the definitions which Thieme gave above, but my main point is that most of this is irrelevant to the Bible. The Bible says little or nothing about these subjects and recognizes only Scripture and the "cure of souls" for problems of living for the believer. Psychological practitioners ha
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R.B.THIEME JR'S ARTICLE LIST OF DEFINITIONS FOLLOWING ARTICLE GATE 9: PSYCHOPATHIC ARROGANCE My comments below in {{{xxx}}}. THIEME'S DEFINITION FOR THE WORD fragmented life: Every believer has an old-sin-nature, therefore, by analogy, every believer is a walking hand grenade. The grenade is the old-sin-nature, and the pin of the grenade is negative volition. The moment th
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THIEME'S LIST OF TERMS AT END OF HIS ARTICLE: GATE 9: PSYCHOPATHIC ARROGANCE As I said before, I won't deal with every term Thieme listed. I will pick and choose, since I am not an expert on the "psychological" terms he gave. First the word CULT: THE DEFINITION THIEME GAVE: cult: devoted attachment to, or extravagant admiration for a person, principle, etc., especia
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Hi Jr, Thanks for joining the conversation! Hope that you will stick around a while. Would you say that Thieme groups are widespread in the Philippines? Scripture says KNOWLEDGE PUFFETH UP BUT LOVE EDIFIES the Body of Christ. Quite different from what Thieme teaches, isn't it? 1Co 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up
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ADDENDUM TO THIEME ARTICLE GATE 9: PSYCHOPATHIC ARROGANCE QUOTE: DEFINITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DOCUMENT: Definitions Associated with This Document abnormal: Deviating from normal. ambivert: An ambivert is a person whose personality type is intermediate between extrovert and introvert, possessing some tendencies of each. antithetical arrogance: Antithetical arrogance occurs
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GATE 9: PSYCHOPATHIC ARROGANCE article of Thieme's continued COMMENT: This "growing and changing" feature of Thieme's was one of the most frustrating to me. He kept upping the ante, so to speak, and changing the goal, moving it further and further along the road to that magical condition, MATURITY. What does Scripture say about growing for the believer? Eph 4:
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BACK TO THIEME ARTICLE: GATE 9: PSYCHOPATHIC ARROGANCE QUOTE: 15. Locked-in arrogance also results in schizophrenia. COMMENT: It does? I am sure the medical community would be very interested in seeing your research. A. Basically, schizophrenia is loss of contact with reality by the disintegration of the personality. COMMENT: Various gleanings from online mental hea
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GATE 9: PSYCHOPATHIC ARROGANCE Thieme article: BACK TO THIEME: QUOTE: R. However if there has been drug involvement, and too many brain neurons have been destroyed so that there are no more microcircuits on which to print doctrine, the case is hopeless apart from God performing a miracle to manufacture additional neurons in the brain. (God can easily do this, but miracles are not gener
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GATE 9: PSYCHOPATHIC ARROGANCE Thieme article COMMENTS: Following up on the remarks I began on IMPERSONAL LOVE in my last post: I would like to point out that Thieme's system and all groups of Thieme related meetings I have ever been in during my nearly thirty years of faithful attendance and learning what he taught made me into a first class PHARISEE. And I could not see that until
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GATE 9: PSYCYHOPATHIC ARROGANCE article by THIEME continued: QUOTE: {repeat} 1) Regarding function inside the divine dynasphere, a believer’s function in gate #3 (humility gate associated with objectivity and teachability) and gate #4 (metabolization of doctrine gate) will eventuate in reaching gate #5, (personal love for God associated with spiritual self-esteem) and precipitate a complet
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I AM TICKED...I HAVE POSTED TO NO AVAIL TWO LONG POSTS to continue my series on Thieme and neither one has shown up yet....they act like I have not logged in and ihave...three times. what is going on? I am taking a break of a day or so, and hope you have your act together here before I continue. it is too much work to do this and find it gone down the tubes! Sistersoap
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QuotekcjonesWell start here. Page 61 Look at Juker's testimony about Bob's ministry from the 60's through the 80's. I think he sums it up pretty well, when there are no checks and balances, (in the biblical realm, like at least 2 elders, plus 2 deacons) then a very destructive church can form. I really don't think it started out as a personality cult, but it su
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