thats great news :)
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What you have writen is dead on the mark and very insightful! I wish I knew then what I know now about Landmark! QuoteIt has become clear to me that Landmark and other self-development programs offer what has been referred to as a “paradigm shift” in peoples life. Of course this is not new. But I understand much better now. It is actually a revolution (not necessarily for the better though
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Hi Hype, In terms of some "facts" about staff I can provide what I know, there are approximately 450 paid staff world wide, the majority of the work is done by volunteers who are part of the "assisting programme" Centres range in size from 2 paid staff to over 20 paid staff (in places like London and New York) and world head quarters in San francisco has a significant n
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Balkenboy, I read your reply and wonder if you are able to think without usingLandmark vocabularly or distinctions. Everything you said could and proabably has been said by a landmark forum leader! You talk about the decisions we made as three and four year olds and the stories we made up. You talk about how the percieved trauma that was associated with an event made it what it was not that
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QuoteA few days after the first diffusion of this investigation in may 2004, the Ministry of Labour and the ministry for finances decided to take several action against Landmark Education This does not surprise me at all, I think as a company globally they flout employement and labour laws regularly but get away with it because their staff don't do anything. The staff in my opinion are to
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QuoteI think your friend is forgetting to make a distinction between the physical realm and the mind realm. What lives in the physical realm is very much real - regardless of what anyone tells you. Try defying gravity with your mind, or keep telling yourself that you can do it - can you really do it? As someone who has personally been at the recieving end of Landmark coaching on illness, I can
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Quotebut if I was catching a cold, I was just "looking for attention". Landmark and its analogues really mess with people's perceptions. This is very true. One of the things I heard a lot of was "you are enrolling everyone in your story of ill health" I could never work that out because If i was "enrolling" surely they wouldn't keep coaching me on h
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This is not the first time I have heard of advertisments like this. As far as I know they are not "authorised" by Landmark. Graduates often do things like this to promote their introductions. Usually it is people who are in the middle of ILP (Introduction Leader Programme) who are trying to fulfill their guest numbers. when doing ILP the particpants have a list of things they must
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QuoteThe notion that things will get worse before they get better can be used to keep someone dependent. The hard thing with this is if what someone may be dealing with is emotional often it does get worse (Or appear to) when talking it through. but this is short lived usually where as companys like landmark or other con artists usually keep it going for a long long time. It was amazing to
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QuoteDoes not paying for courses include ex-staff members from est? That I could not answer. It would depend on the contract. I dont believe they do? I know that landmark staff only get the free tuition if they last longer then a year. The majority of staff quit after 5 months. Those that dont usually quit around the 10/11 month mark. When I was on staff. I was one of the longest servi
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Having been at the recieving end of much coaching about "my racket" I believes its just a load of manipulation to keep people dependant on landmark and its "technology". The unfortunate thing is that everyone in landmark feels they have the "right" to coach anyone else on anything else!!! I was very sick for a while and kept working on my "racket" and
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Hope QuoteMy understanding of the seminar series was that it was part of the Forum: one cannot attend the series without taking the Forum because it was a package deal. I guess then if one participated in est, they could take whatever they wanted to in the "new and improved" LE Generally this is correct, however graduates of EST can participate in I believe up to four seminar sess
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QuotePlease refresh my memory. Is the LFIA series the Seminar Series, sessions that follow the Forum - those 10 sessions that they tell you are in-depth sessions on topics discussed in the forum, making it sound like you're getting a real bang for your buck???? they are one and the same hope ... they still go on about the more for your money too. Caligari, my apologies I didn't re
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Landmark can at times be difficult to get a refund from but if you stick to your guns they will give in particularly if you threaten things like consumer affairs shows and newspapers. When I used to take those calls of people wanting to pull out.. my manager would always cave in if someone started in on that trail of thought. Landmark would rather pay then get bad publicity! However i
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Quoteyes, u are correct. they havent said they didnt make any profit but they have implied to the people that they might not be able to survive without all the free labor. they do imply that in order for people to "get" the most from their forum or other program that they need to volunteer. do u have any idea how much they were paying for their offices in the world trade
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QuoteLandmarkians keep saying the program is for healthy people and that it doesn't replace conventional therapy, but for many it is being used as a therapy. And it's very dangerous. My first post was about a man who was in the seminar leader program in Toronto that has committed suicide now about 8 mouths ago. She knew him, but she kept saying he didn't commit suicide because of L
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Hi Patrick, Just to clarify, Landmark has never said it doesn't make a profit what they say is that they are putting in the profit back into the company. Having said that. I think there are a few people who are getting paid large amounts while others do the work! Their main head quarters are in San Francisco. Their New York office used to be in the world trade centre. When I
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QuoteI took the Forum in 12/01 and the leader went to great lengths to mock therapy, therapists and people in therapy. He named his chair "my problems" and threw it onto his back and dragged it around all over the stage, pretending he was crying and anxious and looking for pity. Then he mocked the entire field of psychology and therapists. This is actually a part of every Landmark For
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I am not going to even stoop down to accept your challenge I have participated in Landmark, been on staff and I know the damage they can do. I believe that in getting hooked into conversations like this people are just going to go round in circles, someone participating in landmark can not and will not accept others views that are negative! RRmoderater has really said it all
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QuoteBTW, who owns and runs Landkark? How much money does Landmark and the owners make? Could Landmark break even if they were to pay their volunteers even a small wage (i.e. $8 - $10 per hour)? Or does using volunteers just simply enlarge their margins? Landmark is owned by the staff, officially none of the staff have received any money from the shares they own with everything being put back
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Hi concerned friend, Posts by all new people do seem to be moderated before being viewable. I suspect this is due to some people abusing the boards and posting rants and flames. If the thread you are referring to is "Singer in my band now in Landmark" that you say is unviewable, I dont know why you can't see it but its certainly viewable. Maybe its your computer?
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QuoteThe more that I look into the world that is LE I am beginning to feel that it is a reverse matrix: First you live in the real world(with all of it's problems and realities), then you are hooked up to a machine(presto! everything is prefect). Is this similar to how you see it? You have a great perspective on the LE world and I would like to know more of your insights. When and how di
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QuoteSonnie, i really would like to know more. What is it like? Were you living in a haze? Could you, would you please shed some light on what it is like? I dont think I was living in a haze but then when I think of the word haze I think of a drug induced high. I was still a thinking adult however my critical thought processes and my inner voice were not functioning normally. Its actually hard
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The landmark forum is usually followed by a ten week seminar called Landmark forum in action then advanced course and then SELP. there are also communication programmes and ILP and wisdom courses. I hope she doesn't get past the forum! i have never in my life heard the cool aid euphamism guess that comes from living in the middle of nowhere down under :)
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Its interesting to hear how this person has changed because she probably can't see it, I know i certainly coundn't. Landmark does this with out you knowing so you end up defending on a flip of a coin. Often defending to the point of loosing your relationships. while working for landmark I can safely say other then one or two friends who stood by and my family I had no non landm
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Hi Trooper, Here are some answers to your questions: Quote1) What type of educational program requires successive 16 hour days of lectures? Is this healthy? Landmark is not a state recognised educational programme, they use the term education because it hooks people. They do it over 16 hours officially so people dont have to take time off work (this is the line fed to participants) bu
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Hi Foodguy, You will find there are lots of posts about the Landmark Forum on this site and quite a few about leadership and ILP. If your girlfriend is being coached (pressured) into ILP she will be getting more and more pressure towards the beginning of the next programme (september). She may think she knows how get them to back off but she doesn't. ILP is the programme that train
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QuoteLandmark positions itself in a legal and ethical "blind-spot." They have learned well how to exploit this niche. This is so true! and they pay the legal team well to ensure that landmark is always covered. Its why they have the documents that everyone signs on each course. Its why those people who answer "yes" to any of the mental health questions get rung by a
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QuoteDoesn't it mean that your life is empty and meaningless without the big and happy Landmark family? To me, it's just an emotional hook to keep you in Landmark's circle of influence. My ex-girfriend used to tell me that if it was not for Landmark, she would probably commit suicide!!! The empty and meaningless pitch is a hook because if you accept the pitch you hold on to
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What's the "empty & meaningless" pitch empty and meaningless is supposed to be this point where you realise that life is empty and meaningless and every ounce of meaning we have in our lives we have put there... sometimes good meaning.. sometimes not so good. What it also means is that every thing in your life... good bad or otherwise is your own doing! If your part
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