Alot of christians do take part in Landmark Education. I know I did and I was silly enough to believe what they said about it not being against my beliefs but the reality is that is you take on everything Landmark says then it is most definitly against the christian belief system Probably the most relevant example would be the empty and meaningly. Landmark has a session where it talks about h
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I agree with what Elena has said, once a person has been in landmark for a longish period, its really only themselves that will pull them out however having said that they still need their non landmark friends even though they probably won't treat them very well (from my personal experience) Don't push books and arguments at your friend, it will just push her to get coaching about it
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Wow nettie your memory is incredible, I had truely forgotten that stupid homework from the first weekend. I sometimes wish I had had the guts to leave when I started this programme. I remember sitting in the first weekend when we got the challenge to leave, three people left and I wanted to leave realising that this wasn't what I wanted but I stayed and some how I convinced myself that
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QuoteSo the bottomline in the RELATIONSHIP SEMINAR probably is about how to end a relationship with someone not in Landmark, or how to break your partner so that he "chooses" to participate ... or else ... I doubt very much if this is offically said at any time however as we all know landmark has many underhanded manipulative and covert ways of getting the point across so it wouldn�
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One thing to think about is that many smaller areas have landmark forums that do not meet the minimum 150. I know one area had six landmark forums in one year and they only had 75-95 people in them. so maybe they are not expanding? I know that the office I worked in was being regularly threatened with closure although I know they wouldn't simply because the position (country/city) po
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that doesn't suprise me in the least elena, the more I explore landmark from an objective point of view the more I realise they have taken so many parts of other beliefs and twisted them to fit their own needs
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QuoteThis is most interesting! In which advanced classes are these sentences being thrown at you? How many years ago? Is it still being used today? Reading the above, clearly it becomes impossible for someone in Landmark to be in a relationship with someone outside Landmark. The partner must give in!!! Clearly the mark of a cult! It is not a set part of the programme, often it is used for t
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QuoteCould someone please elaborate as to what they teach regarding using sex and seductive practices to lure in others? they dont specifically teach how to use sex to pull people in but they use the following type of phrases "if you want your relationships to work you must all think in the same manner" "if your partner loves you they will trust you and do the course"
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Quote what is "BEING OUT OF INTEGRITY? being out of integrity is a term that is thrown around in landmark circles. basically it means you have not kept your word, you have lied or you have omitted the truth, so not that you have delibritly lied but that you just didn't tell something. Its used to primarily as a means of getting you to do what they want. it also means that you ta
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Midonov, Reading that was like sitting in a landmark forum, it is full of the same sort of mind number jargon and manipulate language. Very scary. I didn't read the whole thing properly but will do later. It would not suprise me in the least if the other three authors were landmark graduates who are in some way involved in landmark regularly. Steve Zaffron is of course a senior lea
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QuoteYep...It's really sick and twisted that there are Landmark Sirens(I would like to use another word) out there that are seducing men with the sole intention of bringing them into LEC. What was done to me was bizarre to say the least. I blame myself as well for ignoring the red flags, but I honestly felt that this woman loved me. There was so much praise, and so many gifts. And then...the
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QuoteSonnie and Nettie, I am really interested what landmark staff is talking behind the doors about the people in the ILP or TMLP ... what it is all about. The conversations are mostly about who is "on their game" and who is "off their game" then its talking about how they can be coached to be successfull. Success of course being how can they be revved up to register more
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Midonov, Landmark changed the forum slightly in 2000/2001 using the new "distinction" of enrollment separate from registration. They taught us all how we had collasped the two and that they were sepparate. Enrollment (according to landmark) is sharing possibility with another such that they are left moved touched and inspired. When you enrol someone they want what you have
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Nettie your writing is very well done and on the mark, reading it brought back many memories. Particularly as I started volunteering then did ILP and then went on staff. The highs and lows are so connected and keep you connected to landmark. YOu go on a course, get coaching or what ever and you are on a high, you achieve "the miraculous", then things stop going so well... you fal
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Enrollment went through a change in landmark in late 1999 and 2000. They told us all that it was because they had "collapsed" two distinctions one being registration and one being enrollement. Enrollment conversations were retaught, now we were to share our possibilities so that people were moved and inspired to act (sorry the wording is not exactly landmarks). Then the perso
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QuoteHow do they get away with not paying office staff minimum wage based on hours worked? Are their not laws in the US about unpaid volunteers like in France? I have NEVER heard of a for profit corporation having volunteers do the work. I know in the country I am from they cover themselves by not referring it to volunteering and I would think it is the same in the states. This is pretty m
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QuoteHow about going with a "partner" both of you committed to dragging the other out screaming if either start showing effects? Also we would have someone not there staying in touch and if they saw effects or couldn't reach us coming and getting us? the very simply answer to this question is - DON'T DO IT listen to those who have been there and been burned, listen to tho
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QuoteAbout friends you made in Landmark. It could be wise to keep limited contact with them. It's in their interest to get you back. They might like you as a person and you might like them. But they will be coached to get you back. A part of the team is missing and that does not look good in the center managers statistics report. You can still have contact with them but make sure they un
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QuoteLandmark's staff performance appraisals are based on how many recruits they can rope in, not on how effective their "technology" is on particpants This is absolutely correct. and as staff person in an office if the people who are responsible for registering people are not doing so well everyone is failing as a group. Landmark dangles big carrots (bonus's) to staff an
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excellent posts nettie, I think the key to really moving away from the hold landmark has on your life is to disrupt and disasemble the language. Everything at landmark is based around the landmark language and they take ordinary words and twist them to fit their meanings and it is incredibly hard to resort back to the old meaning. I will add my own 2 cents to some of what you have written n
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QuoteI'm sorry Gulab - that doesn't do the trick I think. There exists a lot of people in Landmark that have a very strong personality and sense of boundaries. When they start. It gets effectively dismantled by the Forum leader. Their personality will be discarded as their WINNING FORMULA - boundaries as being RUNNING YOUR RACKET - or some other Forum term... Whatever you are be
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QuoteI see now that he was stressed about "not being his word" "out of integrity" - he would "not-look-good" on the internal Landmark statistics report. This is normal its all about how they look to the other forum leaders. I have seen many landmark forum leaders lose it and blame the introduction leaders and seminar leaders and staff when things go wrong. O
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QuoteFrom what I see, it appears most of the higher ups in Landmark successes are limited to Landmark successes, ie registering more people in the programs. Every thing is based around this. From 3.01 pm on a friday afternoon till 3pm the following friday you are working and doing everything you can to register people. you will be coached, bullied, humiliated, yelled at, sweet talked, anything
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QuoteThe sad thing is people working for them and trying to get to the "inner circle" really believe they are "helping people". this is it in a nut shell. people want to change the world and they honestly believe that landmark is the way. I know when I was involved I worked very hard to get it into schooling system, believing that it would help self esteem and prevent suici
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Most if not all the leaders and the paid staff have been sucessful in their professions before going to landmark. I was sucessful in my profession reaching a high position at a young age. At 25 I was earning $60k and took a massive pay cut of $35k to "change the world" by working for landmark. Sucessful people work well with landmark because they have an inbuilt streak of not wantin
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They do those papers at the start of every course now. They are checking that each participants personal details (address phone number email etc) is still correct.
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I know at one stage there was a company that was "allowed" to use the "technology: of landmark but I can't remember the name. Landmark is pretty careful about what information if given out. even to staff. about five years ago all staff were made to sign an agreement that meant we wouldn't use the techology for our own profit and we all signed secrecy agreements and some
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QuoteAre there actually 100 paid leaders? The Landmark website only shows 50 0r so and there are only pictures, no resumes. The website only shows the landmark forum leaders, there are also many communication course leaders (who are paid), wisdom course leaders (who are paid) which are not shown on the website. The only show pictures simply because their resume is not going to show their le
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Even the name "education for living" is very similar to the landmark "curriculum for living" which is the forum, seminar, advanced course and SELP
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Very Few people become paid leaders. They have to do ALOT of work unpaid to get there. There are approximately 400 staff worldwide who are paid about 100 of these are paid forum, advanced course or communication course leaders. the other 300 are office staff who get paid minimum or next to minimum for the work they do. To become a leader you first have to sucessfully complete Introduc
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