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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Following on to what Glam has said, all introduction leaders and those in training to be introduction leaders are given a list of potential questions that are often asked and given the "landmark answers" things like Is this a cult has a 5 paragraph answer with all the reasons why it is not a cult. This set of questions is almost book size now and the leaders have to learn it by heart.
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Straight talk, As someone who has completed most of the courses landmark offers as well having been a Landmark Forum Introduction leader, a course supervisor and a paid staff member I can understand the beliefs you have in Landmark Education. When I completed the Landmark Forum I felt very similar. However Landmark is manipulative and plays mind games. They use different methods to alt
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Oz, At one stage centres were encouraged to set up introductions geared especially towards teachers. Where we were there were several teachers who were pushing to get the technology in their schools. The school I taught at prior to being a participant had paid for all staff to do the Landmark Forum. I was the last one. Landmark recognises the impact they can have on a town, city or
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Hi Oz, Thanks for your reply, I have a friend who is a lawyer and I am sure she would be willing to help me get this information. I am aware of the general agreements I signed upon participation but in 2000 every staff meember was made to sign (or lose their jobs) an agreement about what we could and could not do in regards to being a consultant or trainer and some other things. Alot of
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Oz, I do know for a fact that Landmark are trying to get into schools. They want the distinctions of the Landmark Forum to be taught from a young age and to be in every school. There is a big agenda for this and I know that people are working behind the scenes to have this happen. Sonnie
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Hi Oz, New Zealand Laws do differ slightly but Landmark have been advised not to contact me in writing and verbally. They do not have to delete any of my details from their database however I have the right to check that these details are accurate and they must update them if they are inaccurate. The problem is that even though the office has a book of "people not to call" no o
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Montreal I think the reason that a Landmarkian is often so much harder to comprehend is the fact that Landmark takes a word and changes the meaning it then spends all day and night getting your brain to accept this new meaning so that when you think of that word that is what you think of. Take for example the term "being unreasonable" what this means in every day life opposed to th
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Hi Oz, Yes I did leave landmark on my own understanding which probably makes a significant difference. However when I left initially it was because I was so sick. I did not make connections to quite a while afterwards and only when talking about things with a counsellor. I can look back now and see how everything linked and the impact and affects but back then I couldn't even thoug
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuoteSad to say but Landmarkers used to brag about the success they had in New Zealand claiming it would be the first ~transformed~ country Unfortunately they still do brag about it. And in fact the only reason one of the centres is still open and running despite running at a big loss is because it is considered to be in a crtical site to have New Zealand be the first "transformed" c
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Hi Montreal, In regards to the flashbacks or memories. The landmark forum has different effects on everyone but I dont believe people lose their memories of events as such or that they are blocked out. What I do believe happens is that some perceptions of memories are altered by the way a participant is told to relook at them. I can imagine how hard it is if you have lost people you
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Montreal dont really know how to answer your question. When I think about it I go automatically to the distictions of Landmark Education, which I really dont like doing. In terms of the past. Yes Landmark pushes you to put the past in the past, and as part of this recognising what parts of your current life are just follow on from the past. There are so many "distinctions" t
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
You spend time with other landmark people because they think and talk and act the same way you do. Why I spent my free time with them, I am not sure, I think i probably got tired of my friends saying no, often I was taking it as a personal rejection, I had leaders telling me if my friends trusted me they would do it. or I was not enrolling enough so that is why they were saying no. Its ve
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Unless it was being organised through Landmark Education Business Development for a large church organisation, I dont think this would happen. The landmark forum (for adults) is always the same length of time, 3 days and one night. Although there are some individual ministers/preachers/pastors who have done the landmark forum, I have not heard of any large scale clergy event. It is inter
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
QuoteDo they get flashbacks and/or memories of their past? What goes through their minds in that instant? What do they feel? What do they see? - Can they associate these flashbacks and memories to the event of when it happened, how it happened, why it happened, where it happened, with who it happened? What are you referring to here? Are you talking about their participation in Landmark or
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Montreal, in repsonse to your question about my statement "im lucky some of my friends didn't ditch me" I am referring to two things: A) They didn't get really angry at my pushiness about attending a landmark introduction or the landmark forum. B) They didn't get really angry at my lack of spending any time with them. I did not go out with many friends during my
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Glam, the kind of continual belittling that occurs when on staff at landmark is very similar to that which occurs to "battered" wifes. What stuns me is that I could not see it. As part of my training as a teacher we were actually shown what to look for so that we could provide support to children with in that kind of situation. Yet in reality when I was in the thick of it I didn&
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Looking back at things I can logically make the leap that everyone on staff in the centre was being subjected to the same sort of thing, I know the seminar leaders, SELP leaders, TMLP and ILP were all being told to cause breakthroughs. It amazes me how at that time I did not logically make that same step. I truely believed that the office was failing because I in my role as registration effe
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
What triggered my leaving landmark quite simply was that I was failing, I believed that I was completely to blame for everything that was going wrong in our office. I believed that the reason our office was not making money was because I was not "causing"myself to be successful. (the fact that there were other staff and seminar leaders did not come into these thoughts). I was gettin
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Thank you for your repsonses and thank you for the welcome Oz, I am reading a lot of information at the moment and am getting a cross point of views regarding Landmark Education. The counsellor I was/am seeing is not trained nor has any experience in dealing with LGAT. I dont see him regulary mainly due to work only paying a certain number of sessions but he is available if I require. I was
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
This is probably answered some where else but I have looked and couldn't find it. As someone who is working on deleting the influence this organisation had in my life I have a few questions or thoughts that maybe someone you who have either been there or have assisted other may be able to help with. Is it ever truely possible to de-programme yourself? How do you begin to think critic
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
As I have been reading this post I have been thinking about how I used to (and sometimes still do) react when people have negitive comments. From the word go it is drilled into you that Landmark is not psychology, religion. During the landmark forum you are coached either individually or as a group on how to counteract someones negative response or views on LE. As you get further into
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Thanks for the Welcome Elena, I have been writing some of my experiences down, at the suggestion of the counsellor I was seeing. It is scary to recognise the manipulations now that I can see them (well some of them anyway) where as previously I just considered it coaching or my inauthenticity or what ever else technology was drummed into me. I was involved with Landmark for several yea
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19 years ago
sonnie_dee
Can Landmark drive someong to murder? I believe it can, It can tear a persons self esteem and belief down to a point where you follow only the Landmark technology and distinctions. You become argumentative and confrontative if someone disagrees with Landmarks/your own views. I put the Landmark/Your own views with a slash in it because your own views are meshed firmly to Landmarks. Land
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