Seriously this has gone on for long enough. Zelig has failed to answer the statements that he was initiate and he has failed to address why he has posted from many many isp addresses. He claims that he is not representing others but where is just googling and sunglider who he has referred to in his expose on me? Note when I first came here and said that I believed that SoI was dangerous this cart
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It is funny to me that religionsists mock something on the basis that it is scientifically flawed or disproven when there is not a single atom of scientific proof that god exists. The truth about intelligent design : www.venganza.org http://www.mnpublius.com/evolution.jpg
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I was watching her show today and fully half of it was dedicated to people thriled at how great she is, including a high school geography teachers that has kept a chair in her classroom for five years reserved for Oprah to sit in and a group of friends that took an effigy of Oprah on their European holiday. One of the students of the teacher wrote in about how much she just loved Oprah and how sh
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Like all cults there are different levels of involvement and there are different people getting different things out of it. I really do think shanti that the experience for women is different than it is for the men too, there is not much ambition a woman can hold in a KC environment and the most common prize for devotion is a baby and/or a broken heart. Cults get worse over time, they all do
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Starfish I will say that I do not have any specific knowledge regarding the Tibbetan Buddhist organisation, if you are concerned about a ack of awareness and you have information about abuse and you want something to be done about it then you can certainly try to be the someone that does it. The media may take notice if they are approached, but they do not surf the net looking for stories, t
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I have wondered this myself and have looked into it, but have never found any evidence of a specific department within the FBI dedicated to cults. Reports of FBI investigations into cults neever seem to identify a specific unit - if you do a google search or search Rick Ross you will see what I mean. They certainly do seem to take an interest in cults though. A few links which may be of in
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QuoteI think that intimidating, aggressively attacking and further alienating current followers is counterproductive. People who leave cults walk towards a kind hand, not the threatening one. IMO the focus and goal of all efforts should be to help current members get out as well as educating potential members to the truth. Since they already feel isolated and fearful of the “outside” why play int
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Shanti, I admire your courage to speak about your experience and the conviction that information should be made available. It is clear from the decades of deception that it is the secrecy that allows SoI to continue to destroy lives. I am sure that it is correct that they simply rented this centre, here in Australia they use Burleigh Library and Nerang Neighbourhood Centre, and at one time we
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Some Quick Facts About Mike Gabbard (Krishna Kartha das) Mike Gabbard got elected into the American democratic system based on support from all over the world because followers of Chris Butler - members of the same cult that Mike Gabbard denies being a member of have a vested interest in serving their guru and it appeases their sectarian spirit to believe that they are getting one up over the
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Zelig Opined : QuoteSome clarification is needed. If something is not clear, ask for clarification instead of calling someone a liar In a word fuck off. This coming from a cowardly cult apoogist who attacks the only genuine opposition that SoI ever had, no thanks to you and no thanks to any of your cronies who are noticeably silent, who posted an authorative list of facts that comprised a p
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Richard Lowther of Butler's home town Kailua, Oahu and Honlulu. Rama Doyle the boxer (of Rama's Massage Oahu) 2000 boxing tournament, 81kg, Red corner, Helensvale on the Gold Coast. Andre Kalata (oahu - Noni Kahuna registration) "Devin Bull, holding his son Graham, and Andre Kalata were among Healthy Hawaii Coalition signholders yesterday who felt the state was no
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Richard Lowther of Island Shots production company: www.islandshots.com Island Shots mentions all the following companies which shows they are all linked back to Chris Butler. Quite probably other companies mentioned on the site are Science of Identity linked. Lowther contributed $4000 to Mike Gabbard's (long-time disciple of Butler) campaign and designed the logo for Healty Hawai
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Wondering why I have such a craving for maple syrup? Must be all these waffles.. A few days ago I watched the new BBC Scientology documentary - very worth seeing for anyone who is interested in cults. The journalist found the talking head for the cult showing up everywhere he went and although he refused to answer questions he had very definite ideas of what should be reported and no shortage
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The Face of SoI in Australia http://www.brandonraynor.com/images/braynor/ray.jpg As those who read www.chriskcon.com / www.cultofbutler.com may have already seen SoI finally got in touch with me to try to facilitate a resolution in my relationship - in short to return to me what they took from me in the first place. In the whole of Australia there is no man that is more involved or influ
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QuotezeligAt any rate, given the stories of attacks and threats reported on this forum, it is no wonder there has been some confusion regarding certain posts. And naturally, people are concerned about the safety of someone publicly relating such stories. I'm not the only one who thought that some of the posts were odd, contradictory, inconclusive, and scary. My post on 5-15 -07 titled “cult
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The Religion of Slavery The whole KC philosophy cultivates dependence and subservience to the ruling class which evolved into system of gurus and disciples. The reasons why and who advances through this are obvious. As far as what defines a cult is concerned KC has literally made being in a cult their religion. The Bhagavad-Gita was originally written between 1st century BC and 2nd Cent
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QuoteAmerican (HI) founded Science of Identity in 1977. Some Hare Krishna forms, though they (ISKCON) disavow him. Shifting orgs and sites – many many bloggy sites with just a page of quotes and comments, often just on one Upanishad, as if that's the only scripture he has read, though other masters also figure in citations – suggest one step ahead of the law, no firm home base. And "Jag
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I have noticed recently there have been a few posts that have not made it through, I really would have liked to see them just out of curiosity about wtf goes on in these people's heads. It is worth noting that none of them contact me, so I will continue to assume that they have absolutely nothing of substance to say. The soldiers of Krishna in the end are scared of a small woman. What is
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The Australian Premiere of this documentary was on tonight on the current affairs program Today Tonight Scientology made no comment to them except to ask that they refer to the second link below to see their side of the story. How they could possibly conceive that anyone would not see them as a cult when they openly admitted to digging into the past of critics the BBC journalist spoke to,
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The issue now that we are having is that towards the start of this thread two members say that the school that Mike ran was in Samoa - including one who person who claims to have attended this school which was later moved to the Philippines. On Mike's professional history he claims the school was in Wahaiwa HI. Was this School in Hawaii or Samoa or did he have a school in both locations?
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The introdction to the lecture where Chris Butler makes this statement states Jagad Guru comes from a long line of spiritual teachers which originated with God himself. Jagad Guru speaks the truth, not sectarian truth not buddhist hindu or christian truth, but a truth that applies to everyone everywhere. He clearly explains the reasons for, the effects of and the solutions to the personal and soc
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For Zelig and company.. (with love to Rama) Little Hellions, kids feelin rebellious Embarrassed their parents still listen to Chris They start feelin like prisoners helpless 'til someone comes along on a mission and yells BITCH!!! A visionary, vision is scary Could start a revolution, pollutin the airwaves A rebel, so just let me revel and bask in the fact that I got everyone ki
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Zelig, While I, Ashleigh, don't appreciate the implication that I possibly had something to do with the disappearance of my best friend at this stage I don't expect less from you. The number of lies you have told on this thread have led me to agree with Cara's last post for sometime now and your lying to her about your private conversations with me in an attempt to cause disr
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Jo :lol: I hope you got my recent PM. Has it ever occurred to anyone that Zelig is just an instigator who has driven the three real people here away while carefully hiding his own identity and scrutinising mine? I do not mind scrutiny, I am aware that I invite it. The fact Zelig that you have obviously been engaging in discussion about me with others is not at all unsimilar to what I kno
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What can I say guys? I did actually get a video camera and I have been planning on making a video of me talking for the site - now it would seem an especially good idea. If by friend that has been in touch daily you mean someone who is the same age as my father - 20 years older than me who professes to be in love with me at the same time as lobbying for me to give all this cult activism up and
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PrivateEye wrote : QuoteThe thread has been removed. Apparently the India Divine site is pro Chris Butler. Hmmm.. IndiaDivine is the only source of video lectures for Jihad Guru on the net - with no lectures by anyone else. It is exactly the sort of website that SoI would put up favouring the covert method and certainly not above using the mask of Hinduism when it suits them. Chris Butler
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QuoteA congressional report has revealed that a significant and increasing number of people are having recurrent sexual relationship with animals - particularly dogs and pigs. There is even a specialised, exclusive company in Los Angeles that breeds dogs for the sale to women as sexual partners. The report also features photos of such beastiality, including a woman licking the sex organ of a male
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Healing Noni changed their name to Heaven's Noni Allan Yoza (Shankar) and Michael Harvey (gopal?) -------------------------------- In march this year Heaven's Noni was registered in Utah. www.heavensnoni.com -------------------------------- Healing Noni is registered to Michael Harvey www.healingnoni.com ...and so is the tradmark. Not very subtl
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I posted on the new thread that you accidentally started (it happens all the time :D don't worry about it) but that one will disappear pretty quickly I am sure. Originally quotesman who has left us now posted a list of quotes that included one about eating toenails and other former disciples have confirmed this both on and off list. As for being civilised and clean the devotee lifesty
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Chris Butler was initially a disciple of Sivananda ashram which in simple terms could be referred to as left tantra while Krishna Consciousness as propogated by AC Bhaktivedanta Swami is referred to as right tantra. In simple terms he is of a mystic, impersonalist background, same as I. Since I was initiated when I was 17 by a disciple of Sivananda myself and lived in a commune then I know a litt
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