Sid loves to go on about the Life Force and Living Force. Funny when you type Living Force into Google pretty much all that comes up is Star Wars and the band Living Force which were a Sid's boys - maybe he should drop the Christian pretence and go for the Star Wars crowd. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_(Star_Wars) QuoteThe Living Force The Living Force is thought to be in most living be
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I also had a vision (or at least thought that I did, now I dont want to believe much) although mine was in a dream when I sought out my guru. What you say about never giving up yanking at his sleeve rings a bell, it was difficult to get to mine too - I wonder if it is not just something that gurus do to create intrigue and cultivate gratuity. This is my favourite that a friend I met throu
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Johannes, It is a terrible story that took me a few goes to read all the way through - different gurus same stories it seems. It was a very honest and well written account, thank-you for sharing it here. I am curious about Yogajyoti and what organisation if any he runs, how many followers he has and where in the world? How did you first become involved with him if you dont mind me asking?
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This is sad as hell and an honest picture of what giving your life to Chris Butler gets you : QuoteHi all, This is my first post so I will try not to bore you too much. Today, I have come to the realisation I probably have ADHD. I took a few online tests and sure enough the questions all related to how I feel. I am not sure what subtype etc.. as I do not know enough yet. Anyway, if I
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According to the Bible Krishna Consciousness is against the ten commandments : Quote4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: Ex. 34.17 · Lev. 19.4 ; 26.1 · Deut. 4.15-18 ; 27.15 for I the LORD t
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ACB essentially said that all God personalities were the same including Jesus and that noone need give up their religious beliefs they should just add chanting Hare Krishna to their lives, although I have never seen any example of him saying that Jesus was a pure devotee of Krishna or ISKCON having Jesus' Appearance Day, so if Sid was always a Christian he at least kept a lid on it for a wh
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What makes this abuse? Apart from taking a child away from their family when they may be as young as two years old and treating them as an object? I can remember reading a magazine article about the girls who grew up and went on to live very difficult lives, not suprisingly not being able to adjust to the real world that they now have to live in. I cant seem to find any articles like this onli
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Quoteshanti But you also have to remember that I was NOT an initiated disciple then... and, even more importantly...I am female. :lol: The old vegetarian sausage fest. It's still "Exnay on the guns-hay in front of the wimmen-hay" Sorry my pig vedic is a little rusty. All the ISKCON/Chriskcon guys were travelling all over the world and how were they affording that? It was a
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QuoteThey say it is a round, flat shape held up by four elephants I had an oilburner like that once - hope that doesnt make me a member! Thanks for posting - that is hilarious :lol:
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Honestly Googling please next time you deliver a speech finish chewing Zelig's toenails it's not polite to speak with a mouth full of maha.
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Do you get bad karma for flogging a dead horse???color] :lol: Yes you were doing it before we were born and we disillussioned youth and the children of the cult thank-you for the great work. You do deserve to be immortalised alongside your little banned friends who you continue to give a voice to eventhough they were banned you are such a brave authorative hero.
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The issue is that Krishna Consciousness lays claim to being a science, it is methodical and dependent on ideals of tradition and succession. Most of the apologetics and secrecy not only on this thread but on these issues is derived from lingering sentiment and allegiance to ACB. The recurring theme here and among Siddha's followers is that he really tried to follow ACB, he was the way an
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Quotejust-googlingHowever, for Criss Angel to make millions off a TV series by displaying metaphysical and psychic powers -- is this really any different than Sid making millions from teaching yoga postures on a TV series??? The culpability defence - is Criss Angel any difference to Chris Butler? Oprah has influence on TV maybe she is running a cult too - no of course she isn't, that would
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It's all so obvious now, Paris starting to warble on about God and changing her life - me thinks they are getting a back up wife for their Jesus just incase Katie manages to chew through her restraints and head for the hills. :lol:
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PS - Incase that message was too subtle to non-cult members the site has been hacked again. Third time lucky? I doubt it. Now I have to call my sponsors to get some pricey mirrors put up and re-iterate we do not negotiate with terrorists :wink: Even if it takes a week SoI will still be a cult then.
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You can't engage me in God's service. Only I can engage me in God's services. It must be voluntary. If force is used, then there is no question of service -- it's slavery. This is fanaticism It is totally alien to the teachings of the Science of Identity. Jagad Guru- Beyond Sectarianism and Religious Fanaticism :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: If Science of
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I really do not have insight or experience regarding the socio/poitcal climate in Hawaii so I am not trying to affront by asking this, I do recall that Hawaii used to have a very liberal reputation and that gays used to go there to get married, but if people in Hawaii are so liberal why has Gabbard been such a success? There is no indication that he is anything but a one man band for gay bashing.
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QuoteprivateyeIt is common knowledge that the governor of Hawaii is a closet lesbian. It seems Chris Butler does not mind as long as she remains in the closet. But if it were a closet gay man I don't think Chris would overlook it. Once again we see how the cult can do anything hypocritical to gain power, even having one of their members such as Andy Smith work for a lesbian governor. I am
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The story about the deities is the most disgusting example of JG regarding his theological shortcomings that I have ever come across. To actually have the arrogance to put the deities to sleep because he wasn't around and just leave them like that - as if god is sleeping beauty to slumber until the handsome prince comes to break the spell. I wish there was an emoticon for vomiting profuse
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Speculation that Nicole has returned to or not really left Scientology seems to originate from gossip doing the rounds in 2005 - example of which : QuoteScientology insiders tell PAGE SIX Kidman didn't just "take a few courses" while married to ex-husband Tom Cruise, as was commonly assumed, but actually reached an elite level of the religion called "OT II" that only s
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I personally know for an absolute fact that the money was funnelled in from followers in other countries that would have no conceivabe interest in who is the senator of Hawaii. I lived with the idiot that was making it possible via the internet as special service to hawaii - the only person I have ever heard of that got a free trip over there and as a new person actually met Chris Butler and got
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I can't really decide if this is just Wicca for lazy people (and who can ever get all those ingredients anyway?) or someone just put their New Age library in a blender and this poured out. Have you ever thought "I wish I had..."? Well you have practiced cosmic ordering! After hearubg about it for a while as a new trend which apparenty originated in the UK in the past year I g
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QuotegaraLets get this straight: what all you anti-SOI anti-Gabbard people are advocating is that we investigate what websites individuals visit or encourage others to visit etc. and then after coming to a conclusion regarding a web users so-called religion The conclusion about what religion SoI members and Gabbard people are is not based on what websites they visit or encourage others to, but
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QuoteIn reading Jewish literature it would be well to have a clear understanding of two great divisions in the heritage of Jewish religious traditions contained in the Mishnah, the Talmud, (either Palestinian or Babylonian,) and other commentaries on the Mishnah through the centuries. This literary heritage is semi-authoritative and its most authoritative parts may be disputed by accepted authori
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Dear Halak, We are conducting an investigation into Science of Identity and the credibility of Mike Gabbards denial that he is not affiliated with Chris Butler or SoI. There is plenty of information here and on www.cultofbutler.com if you would like to find out more. Are you personally aware of the issues which are being discussed here concerning SoI?
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Rather than letters to the editor I can envision that this whole thing could end up on the cover of Time Magazine. It's funny the site the Chriskcon interface is deveoped from - the premiere Scientology exposure site just got themselves a flashbox like the one we have declaring they are the cult of infiltration. L.Ron watchers are actually starting to get jealous :o For 30 years now Chris Bu
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QuoteprivateyeAmazing this is not making the news in Hawaii. Maybe some letters to the editor are in store so people know that Rick was not being honest all those years. Just as Gabbard is telling lies now. Where did you find the eulogy? It was sent to me through a reader of the site. Very interesting to me too that although Reed was working for Marsland it was not Marsland that was poin
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That was a quick post - the total of information available that I know of regarding Rick Reed is on front page of www.cultofbutler.com under what is going on now with the whole text of the eulogy and link to the video memorial Reed made at www.chippedrice.com There is no link for the eulogy speech on-line that I know of sorry. It would seem that there was no interest in the media about th
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QuoteYou have completely slandered Satan, the Supreme Person otherwise known as the Devil, by creating and airing movies such as The Exorcist, The Omen, The Firm, Dracula, Constantine, Hellboy, etc., etc." I am very much aggrieved and not only urge you but beg you to never air them again. :lol: Reminds me of a saying I heard once - what's right is not always popular and what's p
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That is just because they have so much to hide. Rick Reed working under the instructions of Chris Butler went to work in the Prosectors Department, later using information that had illegally obtained from this position to slander a political opponent which backfired when he was exposed as being an SoI puppet by his ex-wife. The recent Eulogy delivered by Rick Reed at Chuck Marsland's fun
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