Also notice that there is no Guy Finley website that lists the actual name of the foundation/church he is the front-man for. (Christine A Roberts is listed as the actual owner of the foundation, not Guy Finley) The actual name for the foundation is... "Life of Learning Foundation Inc" Notice how Guy & Co carefully edited out the Inc part, and only list it as... "Lif
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Guy Finley's overall salespitch is actually identical to Byron Katie... Quote: END STRESS, GRIEF, WORRY, and DEPRESSION. Discover the happy life! That's the exact same salespitch. END - stress/worry (anxiety) grief/depression. So Guy Finley is telling you he can end your depression and anxiety, which is almost all of human problems! And he can make you happy too, he says.
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Who is the mysterious Christine A Roberts? Guy Finley is doing some of what Byron Katie used to do, in keeping the up-front price low as that is good marketing, and then getting the big money with direct donations. Right on his website, he is getting the "Charitable Trusts and Memorial Gifts", those are the big dollars, entire estates. Even $500 a month in free donation money is pr
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That is quite an insulting comment to the poster "quackdave". Have you read the detailed posts here by "quackdave" on his direct personal experiences with the damaging Byron Katie thought reform system? No of course not. Have your read the hundreds of posts here and elsewhere by many many people who have been psychologically injured and financially exploited by the Byron K
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Unfortunately, the comment above by David Baxter is quite disingenuous. What he posted is clearly a professional endorsement and a promotion of the Byron Katie International BKI business. It is even exclusively featured in the REVIEWS section of his website. The Work of Byron Katie David Baxter Published by David Baxter September 3rd, 2007 David Baxter has posted a huge sect
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Anyone who wants to run their own "new religion" or tax-exempt "church" (like SGI Soka Gakkai, Byron Katie, or whatever) might want to have a look at this. In the Byron Katie thread, there were some fascinating reports. Apparently each person can carry up to $10,000 cash over the border into the USA. Seems to be pretty common with these "new religions" and &quo
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Sure of course, but the average person (family) who might try to use some type of guilt to persuade, is totally different than the advanced professionals in the mass media. The interesting thing is that those who are the best, deliberately avoid tacit consent, by using unconscious persuasion tactics. They engineer consent. A good way to learn the persuasion tactics is studying the professiona
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There is some very dubious information in that book above by Dave Lakhani. He starts pressing the buttons of categorizing your "relationships" and getting rid of people who don't meet your criteria. This is the road they lead people down, to start stripping you away from your current friends and family. He also says people have four main wants. Money, Fame, Sex, Power. Here
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Grabbed 3 books by Dave Lakhani from the library, and will give them a quick read. His information might be helpful, but it also can be multi-layered. For someone who has watched many of these guys for a long time, there are all sorts of methods they run. As mentioned, some conceal everything, and try to act like a new age spirit, one of the more subtle is Byron Katie. T. Harv Ecker is
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Thanks for bring up the Guy Finley "Life of Learing Foundation" (sic) (do we really need more Learers?) There is a new thread to research what Guy Finley is up to. Guy Finley - Self Help Guru So far, so good. You see, Guy has the answer to every problem, including SUICIDE. So is Guy Finley licensed to deal with suicide? No? Guy is a smart salesman. You sell people what
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Woh, this guy is not some harmless old coot, he is highly organized. Non-profit, as we know, just means Guy Finley does NOT PAY TAX for his corporation. But right off the top, he wants to hook you for a LIFE of "learning"...there is no end to it. That is the #1 message...for LIFE. He wants you for life. He has hundreds of hours of multimedia right away, endless products, with
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There are a lot more facts coming out about Michael Bernard Beckwith and his supporters and paid shills from Agape. The Secret promoted an entire gang of con-artists and crooks, without exception. There is a seperate thread about Michael Beckwith, and also one of his promoters, who goes by the fake name Dr. Alex Benzer, but who's real name is Ali Binazir. He posted in the thread below,
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Stoic, thx for posting that, its very important. That is EXACTLY how these LGAT salespeople exploit their customers. They all do it, Tony Robbins salespeople do it, James Ray salespeople do it, Byron Katie, all of them, What they do is they target your WOUND. That is the term they use...your WOUNDS. They find them, like debt, low-self worth, trauma... They literally, their words, fi
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It does seem that being in SGI for a long time, does make some SGI people very arrogant and judgemental. Even with their "friends", if their friend has a problem in their life, the SGI person will tell you the way to solve it is to join SGI and chant. If you refuse, then if you have another problem, they will rudely point the finger and even say its your own fault as you refused SGI ch
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Writing a letter to Ikeda, sounds exactly like writing a letter to Santa for pre-schoolers. Santa receives the letters at the North Pole and is able to magically read them all, just like Santa-Ikeda. There are few certainties in life, other than that Ikeda does NOT read any of those letters from the rabble! That is another SGI technique, writing letters to absent Daddy, to build one-way fals
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Alex Benzer and Ali Binazir are clearly the same person. If one searches Google for: "Ali Binazir" alex benzer This results comes up. Dr. Ali Binazir www.taoofpersuasion.com/ - Similar So either the name Ali Binazir is buried in the webpage keywords, or its been left in the title of the webpage by mistake. That website taoofpersuasion.com is truly a vile, decepti
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Well, well well. As one peruses the reading list of the "mysterious Dr" Alex Benzer, it points to the usual suspects in hypnotic NLP persuasion, who's techniques can clearly be seen in the writing, top to bottom. Including Persuasion Engineering. These are the exact same persuasion techniques used by James Arthur Ray, and Byron Katie as well as Michael Beckwith, and many othe
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By the way, that "article" about Michael Beckwith by his friend Alex Benzer is beyond a puff-piece. Its also intellectually dishonest, highly manipulative, persuasive, directional, and is a PR piece to try and get more members for Agape in person, and online. For example, he says: "you're not required to practice anything, perform any rituals, or subscribe to any kind of d
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Byron Katie has numerous Stories about getting robbed at gunpoint. Those are all layered metaphors, in nested loops, stories within stories. They are designed to make people feel passive when they think of being robbed. That is called priming the pump, for when the seminar leader, or cult leader, robs you blind by asking you to empty out your bank account and hand it over. They have already co
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Just to go back to this SGI "story" about giving SGI all of your emergency savings. Its found at the links below. Contribution and “Fighting Daimoku” That posted "story" is a persuasion process. Its not a true story, is a written story that is designed to persuade people and modify their behavior and beliefs. Its very obvious how they do it. SGI is targeting thos
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Well, Beckwith is still pretty new, it takes time for complaints to surface. For example, James Ray was a media darling since Oprah promoted him. As far as I can see, no media anywhere asked James Ray a SINGLE hard question. Not one. Just shilling and promoting. Why? Possibly because the same media companies own the network and the books, and they are trying to sell books. Its ridiculous.
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Yes, sticking people in a car-pool and having them drive 3 hrs is an SGI tactic, adapted to USA, the land of the car. As mentioned, that is 6 hrs in the car, plus the meeting, that is an entire SGI day. In the old country, that would have been an all day hike to go and hear a lecture by the Master. But in the USA, where people are too lazy for a hike, a 6 hr drive is better! SGI-USA strikes
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More evidence is building around Ikeda having sexual activities with young women in SGI, including the nude sessions in the Ikeda hot-tub. Sometimes it takes a very long time for the proof of that to come out. With Sai Baba, the sexual abuses of young boys took many years to come out. Also, there was a "Zen guru" called Seung Sahn, who was a mini-Ikeda. It only came out years lat
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An interesting thing about this forum is that its sometimes a couple of years ahead of the media reports. For example, James Arthur Ray was pointed out as being a dangerous scammer a couple of YEARS ago in this forum, when at the time the "media" was licking James Ray's boots as he was in The Secret. Then when 3-5 people end up DEAD, then the media writes some reports. Eve
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Of course the BK LEGIT? name of the thread came spontaneously from a poster. But what is interesting, is a new age cultish groups use that technique consciously. They target the doubting mind with a question...like... Is Byron Katie legit or some type of new age cult? This draws in the doubting mind...then they answer the question for you, by specific methods of thought shaping. As a ma
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Any so-called "therapist" who hooks people into Byron Katie and refers them to her dangerous LGAT seminar needs to be reported to their licensing committee. (if they have one). Many so-called therapists are totally unregulated, and can be completely incompetent, or also running their own Byron Katie style "Life-Coaching" business, or be Mind-washed by Byron Katie themselves.
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A new participant report on the Byron Katie LGAT seminar
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A new participant report on the Byron Katie LGAT seminar
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@ chicky monkey Thanks for your report, it contains an enormous amount of important information. One of the most interesting things you said, is your BK roomate was an NLPer, who went back to be "STAFF". That is how it works. That roomate, if really experienced in NLP would see most of what Byron Katie was doing to people with her techniques, and how much money Byron Katie w
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You would have to wish that people would be about a million times more careful around these types of guys, and those like them. You can't go into a seminar room or wilderness reatreat with these advanced hypnotic persuaders, its too dangerous, they are too skilled. For example, Stever Robbins knows all of them same techniques, as well as many other people. Notice all those guys have been
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