Below is a cross-post from a blog that appears to have deleted its text, but kept the comments, which are mainly BK apologetics. Its amazing how some of those who seem to be into Nondualism willfully blind themselves to the MOUNTAIN of hard facts and evidence that is right in front of their eyes about Byron Katies covert persuasion, manipulation and LGAT seminar tactics. Its as if they are pokin
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to follow up on the last few posts... @ scrambledeggs yes, all of these LGAT groups like Byron Katie, and many others, have a program or a system like the BK "certification", they just call it something else, like a franchise. They tell them, take these seminars for 2 years that cost 25K-100K and more, and then you are going to make lots of money! In fact 99% of the people make alm
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This is 100% correct and bears repeating 100x. They are trying to gain your CONFIDENCE, your trust...trust me...I am on your side. They don't provide proof for their claims, just Stories. They have their shills, business partners and stooges, who trade Amazon reviews and weblinks with eachother, tit for tat, in an echo-chamber of shilling. They target human weakness, needs and vulnerab
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Whenever a person is dealing with a PROFESSIONAL persuader, one who does it for a living, one has to be extremely careful. If your gut is acting up, or you are getting a headache, or getting dizzy, confused, dissociated, anxious, or even super-excited and manic, those are signals of self-protection and warning. This is because the professional persuader is targeting and affecting your core beli
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A quick analysis of the book Subliminal Persuasion by Dave Lakhani. There has been so much BS and deliberate confusion put forward around this issue and Dave Lakhani, when in reality its not that complicated. The distortion starts right in the Preface to the book, where Lakhani redefines subliminal persuasion to be equated with propaganda, in the sense of causing a group of people to take act
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The irony is by carefully analyzing the tactics being used by Dave Lakhani, one can learn more of the persuasion tactics used in this area by many others. The trick is to look behind the overt "persuasion content" being allegedly taught by Lakhani, and to look under the hood, at the persuasion tactics being used covertly on YOU. It makes it tricky, as its a bit of a house of mirr
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Its a very good point about these types of persuasion salespeople becoming very directive, forceful, and giving direct orders to people. They know that that works. It works on some people just to order them, to DIRECT them to do something. Large amounts of people respond submissively to that, and will literally do as they are told. Persuaders know that, and know often there is no need for fancy
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There is no town in Texas coming up named Turnaround. What are the chances...Guy Finley telling a psychological hypno-Story about a haunted House in a town called Turnaround, during the "Depression"....when there is no such town. Byron Katie, who's entire system is based on the Turnaround, and the Turnaround House. Guy Finley is very clever, notice how he used the word &qu
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There is a book by Guy Finley called The Essential Laws of Fearless Living. They even have an extremely slick and highly manipulative website. www.essentiallaws.org just full of all sorts of sales and marketing techniques. They even offer "152 FREE GIFTS". These folks know what they are doing, in terms of internet marketing and the psychology of sales. The book open with a list I
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There is no way that Lakhani makes that kind of money. All of these persuasion salespeople fabricate and exaggerate their alleged income, as that is part of their salespitch, and it cannot be checked or verified. Their salespitch is...come to my seminar and make the kind of money I am telling you I make! You can make 50K a day too if you attend my LGAT seminar, that only costs $3,000, so sign
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Where is the bottom? No end in sight. Dave Lakhani is a close buddy with Ben Mack. One will have to look into Ben Mack...very carefully, he runs many websites, and a strange blog called: eCommerce + Profits = Real World Branding But one of the first things that comes up from Ben Mack on this eCommerce blog, right below a quote by Dave Lakhani, is a beyond middle-aged Ben Mack making a
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This is to reinforce the WARNING put out about the methods and tactics of Dave Lakhani in a previous post. Of course that warning was 100% correct, and here is the evidence. There is much more evidence than this, but this gets to the direct point. ___________QUOTE__________________ Dave Lakhani Speakersite QUOTE by Dave Lakhani: "I'm also one of the world's fastest hypno
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Stoic: Just so you know, you are not to blame for bringing up the name Dave Lakhani in these threads, as his name had already come up in other threads before his mention in the James Ray thread, as he is also a colleague and business associate with "Dave Benzer" aka (Ali Binazir) who is a close associate of Michael Bernard Beckwith from The Secret, who is buddies with James Arthu
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Buffman, you make excellent points. Especially the part about how Dave Lakhani deliberately tries to create controversy as part of his marketing. For example, his book Subliminal Persuasion opens up with Dave Lakhani constantly beating the drum of FEAR, DANGER, how his publisher wanted to censor his book as it was TOO DANGEROUS for your virginal eyes!!! (of course in this day and age, th
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Its a classic LGAT technique going back decades, to strip people of ID and money, and try survive in the city. Notice its your ID...your IDENTITY...which is the most powerful aspect of the self-concept, which every cult tries to take control of. There is one technique, where your goal is to try to talk yourself into getting a free hotel room, free meals, and other free stuff, by using your per
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Well, not that Dave Lakhani needs a defense, as frankly criticism of his techniques would help his marketing to the target market that wants to learn to persuade and manipulate to the maximum degree possible, including "mind control" and creating a "cult following"... But at least he's put a definition like the one below in writing. Others have called what he is talkin
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One thing about Dave Lakhani, is at least he admits there is such a thing as advanced unconscious persuasion techniques. Even though he immediately tries to misdirect away from some of the most powerful techniques, at least he admits there are many dozens of techniques that are being used all over the place. Notice how people like Byron Katie, Stever Robbins, and many others will literally DE
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There are a couple on interesting posts by a username of "Antara" at the Janaki blog. Now allegedly the username "Antara" might connnect to a therapist at the halfway-house where BK supposedly had her cosmic Roach Motel metamorphosis. Have any of the BK former-Lifers heard that name before? But even a supposed BK insider, who says they were there at the time, is say
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There is so much above from Dave Lakhani that needs to be looked at, and it will be looked at as time permits. After all, he's not the only person in the world who's worked with ole Richard Bandler. But take note of the serious WARNING in previous posts, about being extremely cautious when "talking in person" or on the phone, to these kinds of professional advanced persuad
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There is a interesting post by someone with the username "Antara" on the Janaki blog, who claims there were there the day after the alleged cockroach hypnotized Byron Katie. Absolutely fascinating. Antara says that over a period of 2 years, that Byron Katie found the "language" for what happened, by doing all of the self-helpy seminars, 12 steps, and other material that
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One thing I want to mention, is the comments made about Tony Parsons so far, were mainly from a comment from another person on the Janaki blog, where someone else referenced Tony Parsons name numerous times in a blog comment. Of course, people are free to do what they like, and its their life. But its not a great idea to move from Byron Katie, who presents herself as "non-dual" and
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Byron Katie is still at it, still able to induce trance-states in such a way to make true believers believe she is a divine superbeing. Byron Katie is so skilled a rapid hypnotic trance-induction, that she can walk into a room, and start to put people into trance states in just a few minutes. Its possible to learn and develop those skills, but it takes talent and a lot of experience, and BK has
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Haven't researched Tony Parsons, but that should be looked at very carefully. Don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but please be very careful out there, this "non-duality" material can be very slippery. It does seem that Tony Parsons was a follower of Osho/Rajneesh and a member of a commune called Medina Rajneesh in Suffolk in the 1980's. There is no mention o
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The harsh reality is that many many senior "facilitators" or franchisees with many of these LGAT groups end up bankrupt. Literally. That is a fact. Anyone who has been in that business, sees person after person pushed into bankruptcy after dealing with the Guru for a number of years. Going to the edge of bankruptcy, and into bankruptcy, that is not uncommon in these seminar groups. It
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Its not about saving the world from Guy Finley. Its about Guy Finley starting to be honest and tell the truth, and opening up the financial statements. For example, who is on the board of directors for the Life Of Learning "Foundation"? (Its in fact registered as a church). Who is Christine Roberts, who is listed as the owner? Where are the audited financial statements, so people
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But no, listen to the Guy Finley style...Jedi mind-trick attempts.... ...humans are just expressing fear...they are unconscious...we are so unconscious you don't even know what you are doing now...you need to learn to trust... ...you can't know everything about everything...better to know nothing...knowing nothing means you know everything...you don't need to know anything abou
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There are some comments about how when people stop doing the BK system of manipulation, they can get depressed. They can even think at times that since the BK manipulation system doesn't work as advertised, that means humans can't manage their thoughts and feelings. That is a very serious mistake to make. Its understandable why someone would think that due to the mountain of misin
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QuoteThe Work, in terms of the 4 Questions and a Turnaround, is a clever "gimmick". As Jay said, for these "facilitators" they can use it with clients, and many of these untrained people charge over $100-$150 an hour! There seem to be hundreds of these "coaches" out there who are selling it. And its also the golden goose, as people get hooked into the Turnaround lo
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The website of David Baxter has moved the post promoting the business of Byron Katie. (it is promotion, as it just reproduces the Byron Katie International marketing material). It was moved from the REVIEWS section to the THERAPIST section. _________________________ Psychlinks Psychology Self-Help & Mental Health Support Forum > General Psychology & Psychiatry > Therapy & T
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Dr. Daniel Amen promotes all sorts of scams, there are plenty of money-hungry docs in America, imagine that! Daniel Amen, who promotes Byron Katie, has been disclaimed by the PBS Ombudsman. Does Ken Roberts (the scam-artist) have any connection with Jeff Roberts, Events Director Life of Learning Foundation? Or Christine A Roberts, the person who actually owns the LOL Foundation church?
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