Call me anytime you want. Even if it's three in the morning. Apostate has my phone number. Actually, I do not have your number. I deleted it when you sent it to me in an unsolicited manner. So please try and refrain from making out my connection to you is more than it is. While I am at it. How about you do us all a favor and remove those porno pictures of kids from everywhere you pu
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QuotezeuszorI do not think it's really DM's brother at all, but an impostor; if it really were DM's brother, he'd of realized that I was not the first nor the only person to have called DM's mother that day. Can you somehow prove or show reasonable evidence that you are who you say you are, Mr. Offended? Zeus, You are doing to this person what Dave did to David L
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Barbiedoll, I admire your courage going to the JC loungeroom (cloaked flame thread) to seek to resolve your issues with them. Good luck with that. They still refuse to come to a forum where ex members have said he will not be banned or censored, so you obviously have the greater light within you doing something they cannot. I also want you to know that I am here to offer any support if neces
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Back when Brian first started his attack on my mother, I saw many of the posters here make comments that it was not the "Christian" way to take up arms against David. But now I see no disparaging comments whatsoever, so I can only assume those posting here have changed their opinion as to what is and what is not acceptable in your campaign. Is that really the "only" assumpt
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No, Casey was not in the group when this occurred
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Casey said: I still don't see any explanation, here. The best we have is "he was trying to get away from you". This is not an explanation, it's an accusation just like I said previously. Why was he trying to get away from Dave? Because Dave was trying to turn his battery off. Why was Dave trying to turn the battery off? Because the boy was trying to get away from Dave. Why wa
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Double speaking Dave, "Apostle of God", does it again SOURCE: We (and hopefully you) do not force people with two shirts to give one to someone else. But if they do, it is consistent with John the Baptist's statement, "Let those who have two give to those who have none. Drongo, how the hell does forcefully making someone give up their clothes appear in any way remotely
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My hesitation with such a comparison is that it is possibly too restrictive to contain it to Dave and Luther. I think exposure would reach a greater audience by comparing his actions to universal ethics or human rights. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Quoteblacksheep Jesus said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's". Unfortunately, this means that it is lawful to pay taxes however it also means we should still love and worship God (as God enables us). Dave uses this famous passage to justify deceiving the larger community. His response generally is "once you give all to God you have nothing
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Sounds like you do.
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The teachings of the JC's are what generate the actions. He teaches that it is OK to whip people and his followers do it He teaches that those with two should give to those who have none by John the baptist relates to body parts and his followers do it. He teaches that you can be disloyal to mammon ("system") and his followers lie to and steal from it. He teaches that h
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Casey asks: So, if Dave was not disconnecting the battery of a severely terminally mentally retarded boy's wheelchair to stop him from driving into traffic or some other dangerous area, and he wasn't stopping some kind of temper tantrum from a naughty boy then why would he have disconnected the battery (if he did indeed disconnect it)? Let me repaste what I originally said: &q
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Furry, Egypt has now gone to the JC's claiming he was being persecuted on this thread, and as result has had his "initiation" and "baptism of fire" and that any here who wrote expressing an opinion that he be allowed to remain here only did so at the behooves of Rick. Stay tuned to the JC site for what happens to him over there. His length of stay there will be determin
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Quoteprivate eyesReaders might be interested to know that the so called, zero currency man that posts on the Jesus Christians Forum has written about the cult on his blog. Followers of the JC Forum will know that some of the US Jesus Christians cult were planning to meet up with this man who posts as, Suelo. Suelo, actually Daniel James SHELLABARGER, claim to fame (if you get past all the rhet
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QuoteEgypt-EiraFOR APOSTATE xxxEE publicly backstabbing his wife: Feel thats more than a little harsh ... How does this comment you posted on the JC site seem to you? BTW over there on the RR forum it seems that people really are starting to turn on me ... there was a particularly odd message for me this morning?? An awful lot of bitterness there ... How is me challenging your public
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EE publicly backstabbing his wife: SOURCE: I think its fair to say that Im a dominated husband ... my wife is the boss in this house. Already through these teachings I am finding a little strength to stand up for myself on several matters. She is a spiritual soul though, and is being affected as I tell her about the teachings of Jesus, and how they are different to how we assume ... EE, wit
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QuoteEgypt-EiraFOR MALCOLM APOSTATE AND BARBIEDOLL Thanks guys for the postings ... but I feel I must say something ... its very hard since Im only reading texts, but sometimes I feel I have touched a nerve (Malcom .. your last posts seemed emotional). Thats fine ... but I really dont wish to distress anyone ... Obviously peoples feelings here are very strong, and I do realise that I am une
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QuoteEgypt-Eira Can I ask one more question ... does anyone here have ANYTHING to say positive about the JCS? Robin did an impressive action of helping the man who was being subjected to a mob justice. Dave is good at writing articles Roland is good at passing out tracts consistently getting the highest donations. Martin is the best book seller Fran is a good guitarist Ros
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QuoteJosh What I keep coming back to is what I mentioned above about what a 98% Christian country would be like. Could a society really function in the real world always turning the other cheek? I grant you the point that to follows Jesus's example would be to always turn the other cheek, but do you think this would work on a large scale? The question's not rhetorical. It seems to l
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EE, because you have said this: Hello's post above is what im looking for ... it contains information which I can now go and research ... and hints at possible dangers I, and my family, may face ... THIS is why I am on this forum. I will offer up some eye witness accounts and personal experience for you of life in the JC cult that, as a family man, you would do well to seriously consi
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QuoteEgypt-EiraQuoteapostateEygpt... why are you hesitating? Join the group today. Commit yourself 110% to do what they say. Do it. Learn for yourself. You seem like someone who is able to articulate their opinion. Do the same with Dave after you join. Not helpful It would be "helpful" if you could explain why you think my comments are "not helpful" Egypt.
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Eygpt... why are you hesitating? Join the group today. Commit yourself 110% to do what they say. Do it. Learn for yourself. You seem like someone who is able to articulate their opinion. Do the same with Dave after you join.
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I will try and simplify this for you Josh by replacing the word "thief" with "adulterer" in the hope that it may trigger some memory you have of how Jesus dealt with a person viewed as committing a crime. (I hope you do not mind me taking such a liberty with your words) I can imagine the Sanhedrin debating the best possible course of action to turn people from their evil ways
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Jayme said: In light of the FACT that Fran was there, and Craig was NOT THERE, (and one must wonder if Craig would be willing to accept the 5 lashes from a whip) it does seem very strange for people like Craig to be offering such "godly" counsel to us these days. You should be pleased that I believe Fran's account that the whipping of the volunteer occurred without actually
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For Egypt
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QuoteEgypt-Eira This response seems to just be mocking my post. Bit upset really. I am a genuine seeker after Truth and am looking for some sensible dialogue about my possible joining the JCS, and about their literature. Not very constructive really. Anyone out there wanting a constructive dialogue?? You misunderstand my response Eqypt, I was not mocking you. I was completely serious. I
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Fran "protesteth too much me thinks" Craig is lying when he says that we ignored the volunteer's right to not get whipped. He knows, as does everyone who has actually read what we have written, that the volunteer could choose to accept a punishment, or he could choose to have someone else take the punishment for him. He did not have to be whipped at all. However, he personally c
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QuoteEgypt-Eiraso much time and energy obsessing about DM and his group's activities. I have better, more satisfying, and more important things to do with my life. David, I hope that you are reading this. I don't have to be so wound up worrying about you. It's only a matter of time. You'll get yours. I'll be watching and waiting. 300 plus posts. All disc
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QuoteJosh I think the thing that was frustrating me about the questions being asked about the whipping thing, not just by you but by alot of people, was that it was continually being raised as a question to Dave and then people acting surprized or newly disgusted when he didn't answer. Everyone knows he's not going to answer, so asking the questions over and over seems like beating you
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