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17 years ago
corboy
Unlike the LGATs in its database, does not prosyletize. This site does not generate 'pop' up ads or blinking ads on other websites. You will not be tiresomely hit on by friends, bosses, coworkers, and urged to log on to And, if you do, by chance decide to try it is FREE. You dont have to leave your home, go to any meetings. And there are no published reports of people suff
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
In my opinion it would be impossible to empower people by covertly manipulating them. The embezzlement of your humanity happens gradually so you do not at first understand that you're being ripped off--the initial bliss hit conceals all that. Its just like a pickpocket smootching/snogging you, getting you all horny and, while you are unaware of it, slipping your wallet out of your bac
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
There is a thread here on the message board entitled 'Looking for Sterling Wives' On page 3 of the thread 'Elena' quoted material from a former LGAT trainer who described how he found out that he was using highly sophisticated, powerful methods of trance induction in the trainings,and how he manipulated the hell out of people. He only found out because a professional
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
If 'yourself' is being given false information (deceit), manipulated by charisma, or by methods of covert indoctrination. As for the pioneer spirit, South Africa was settled by people who got their by using maps. Columbus was adventurous, but before he set out on his voyage in 1492, he had become an experienced sailor, had a compass, could navigate using the stars, and--he had maps.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
A few days ago, a helpful person (not me!) posted a new-under-construction website URL on my favorite bulletin board for tracking bad yoga teachers-- Immediately, someone counterposted, attacking this person, suggesting he or she needed to 'get a life.' Well that original poster was right on. You want to check any yoga teacher or guru right at the beginning, before you become ps
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
I see it as a choice between serving reality versus serving illusion. My bogus spiritual advisor said something that (sadly) he failed to live up to himself, but I found to be 100% true: 'If you cannot be honest about the things of this world, you cannot be honest about spiritual matters, either.' Excellent advice. It is a tragedy that the guy was so scared that he chose to ser
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
Did you get an A? In case you're still interested in 'how they start' I found a book a few weeks ago that darn near answered your question: 'Prophetic Charisma' by Len Oakes. I discuss it on this thread This is an example of the version of Murphy's Law that plagues all scientists and scholars: as soon as you publish your work, you'll find out someon
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
Intervention is delicate. Read all the material you can on intervention on this site and on freedomofmind.com If you're really concerned, talk to Rick and see if he can recommend an exit counselor in your area. Intervention can help, but it has to be done properly--and you want expert advice. Its also very, very important to have some kind of sanity producing centering practice for you
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
First, treat me as a cautionary example. A person can be anything they want through words and be totally different in person. Last year I attended lectures by some people whose material I had liked when I read their books. They were wise and helpful--on paper. In person, they were appalling. Both, in different ways, fit the profile for severe narcissistic personality disorder. And both turn
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
People who are determined to deny the Holocaust are not thinking rationally, even when they claim they are being reasonable and insist on being given convincing evidence. The evidence is miles high and they ignore it. (To say nothing of the millions of people who never came home) No amount of evidence will satisfy them because they are operating on covert emotional agendas, not reason. No o
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
I grew up in LA. On the bus that went up Fairfax Ave, I would see old people with KZ camp numbers on their arms. My dad was a violinist.The man guy who maintained his violin had a brother who was in the service during WWII and liberated a concentration camp. Mr Kovanda's brother went insane--he never recovered from what he saw. The man who was my neighbor's gardener was a veteran
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
at least do not expect gratitude right away. If you warn people that a cult recruiter is operating in their area, do not expect straightforward gratitude. People are complex. Make certain you're clear you are doing the right thing and provide information that can be fact checked. Because your efforts to educate the public will cause a surprising number of people to get mad at you.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
It all sounds like classic thought reform set up. And that stuff about getting the guys to build up, then release all that emotion (what shrinks call 'catharisis' and what folks in the street would call 'puking your emotions') ...all that is based on out dated 1960s encounter group technique. These days (and after working with many casulties of the 60s and 70s human poten
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
This is only a guess--stop me if I am mistaken: It sounds as though your brother has been in school much of his life. His intelligence is undeniable--that's obvious. But when you at last finish your schooling, defend your final dissertation are awarded your Ph.D, and run out of post-doctoral projects, you can find it terrifying to leave the structure and built-in social networks prov
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
I suggest periodically checking Craiglist.org and if you catch these groups recruiting there, do some counter-posts on CL and warn people that this is a set up that has generated casualties. Provide information and URLs! You can search the community discussion listings and the 'group activities' listing to see if any of these groups are placing ads. However, ads expire in 10 days fro
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
very lucky. Sounds like she lucked out two fold--the deprogramming worked successfully and she had excellent long term aftercare and exit counseling. And, to cap it all, she loves her son, despite the circumstances in which she became a mom. Humans are just so powerfully affected by social setting and context. Thats what makes us human--we want to connect and can connect. It is a tragedy
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
laws to protect you from workplace tampering? Its lousy to keep mum at work about one's personal sorrows for fear that any display of tenderness or concern could target one for recruitment. We spend so much of our waking time at work, that being forced to keep quiet at work represents an oppression of one's spirit. You did not need this load of bollocks your first week at work.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
laws to protect you from workplace tampering? Its lousy to have to keep mum at work, since we spend so much of our waking time while there. You are not alone. 20 years ago I was in graduate school and the department chairman was an enthusiastic graduate of EST (forerunner of Landmark). He tried to get me to do it, and our department secretary suspected she was fired because she refused his
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
asked whether there is such a thing as 'Guru U'. This book answers that question. There isnt an offical Guru U/Hogwart Academy but it appears that many gurus follow a rather typical developmental trajectory. Here is a copy of a review I wrote for someone else Prophetic Charisma by Len Oakes.* He traces how charismatic leaders develop, their special narcissistic mindset, and how the
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
Recruiters for certain authoritarian groups/leaders may practice what I would call 'manipulative intimacy' (a contradiction in terms--which is why it is so crazy-making). In my opinion: They do not see people as human beings whose inner privacy entitles them to respect; they see us as objects to be manipulated, trophies to be captured in thier Great Game. The ends justify the m
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
It is written by Leo Booth, an Anglican priest who was himself addicted to the use of religiosity as a way to control and avoid his true emotions. And he behaved abusively toward others after he became a priest. To make amends, he has dedicated himself to counseling people who have been affected by spiritual abuse. He structures information using a 12 step approach. And he deals with the impac
Forum: Destructive Churches
17 years ago
corboy
Lexisnexis I have not used it but someone else on this board has. X used it to research actions taken against a crooked individual.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
corboy
Burton's group does operate a renowned winery. They have an estate in Yuba, California, and have become famous among wine experts because they have successfully created excellent wines in an area where weather conditions are unfavorable for wine grapes. So, yes, they would have the expertise to make palm wine. Their grape wine is good enough that it was served at a state dinner at the Whi
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
It is entitled 'Degenerate Players in the Work' They dont mention groups by name, but if former members read the descriptions, they will very likely recognize thier groups! William Patterson, a scholar of Gurdjieff work has written a book describing the genesis of 3 counterfeits, and has a chapter on Burton. Burton's teacher, Alex Francis Horn and Sharon Gans created a
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
with this group. Burton collects expensive art and gives complicated reasons that this creates an environment that accelerates spiritual development. His rules and regulations change constantly. To give him credit, he has an excellent collector's eye for fine art and has done very well. So somewhere along the line, Burton probably convinced himself that Chilean wine palm trees have
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
some new names: Renaissance, Apollo The leader is Robert Burton. There is a huge amount of information on this group in Rick Ross's archives. Burton claims to be a Fourth Way (Gurdjieff) teacher, but he is bogus. Legitimate Gurdjieff study groups all disavow him. Go to 'Groups' in the Rick Ross site, go to 'R' and go to 'Renaissance'--you'll find h
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
Bowles gave up his license to practice psychology revoked by the State of Wisconsin for improper dual relationships which subverted professionalism and the boundaries needed to practice ethical and effective psychotherapy. You can read the text of the decision here. The URL will take you to the text of the disciplinary action. Peter Bowles was formerly involved with a gnostic/New A
Forum: Destructive Churches
17 years ago
corboy
8128. my story
a situation that has been a problem in the church from the very beginning. Read some of Paul's early letters, especially Corinthians I and II, Colossians, Romans and Galatians. These letters were memos that Paul wrote in response to crisis situations that boiled up. The early house churches were getting out of control due to the behavior you are describing. Or opportunists were sowing discor
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
if you find you're becoming interested in this whole subject, here is someone who may be a good resource person for you. She is a protege of Dr. Margaret Singer and Rick Ross has great respect for her expertise. She is on faculty at Cal State Chico and is due to publish a new book in 2004, through the University of California Press. One thing you will discover as you go further in sc
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
corboy
and especially read about the routine they use for the puja ritual. I think trancenet.org lists some websites that give info on hypnotic induction. Recruiting can happen quite rapidly, but it is just one step in the process. Its one thing to recruit people. The key thing is, 1) once you've recruited people, finding a way to 2) indoctrinate them and then 3) retain them (keep the indo
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
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