I tried to avoid the V subject in here. There has been some drama in regards to it few months ago. So I let it go. Best to avoid getting there. I guess it is more the paranoia and non sense I am interested in. The bird flu was almost like an end of the world scenario. Hoarding food for 6 months. Getting ready for the zombie appocalypse and house invasions. Sars was all about wearing masks wh
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Who has insiders in the cult right now? Or who are those who post here snd still have one foot in the cult! How are they managing the pandemic with the usual butler virus paranoia? They no longer can preach, gather…? How is life isn holy hell these day! The pandemic may have saved some souls from getting trapped in the butler net.
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This is only 18 pages but it is a very good article on the few important emotions. Ones we feel and that are used to control us in a vukt setting. It truly opened my eyes even more.
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Who said being a guru was easy. Why complain so much. Noone has forced anybody to take on these austerities. It is not the job of disciples to constantly protect pure devotees and make sure they do not walk on pins and glasses. Guru should not become such a center of drama and blaming game. They always say it is offensive to take a person’s focus off krishna. How is all the drama helping pe
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What is spiritual life really if one does not pay attention to scripture whatsoever? Jus looking at these few verses, it is clear where SoI stands. Many divine qualities are missing and some demonic qualities cruise around and destroy many souls. Fearlessness is the quality that has been mentioned first. What was the main emotion I felt during the years in the group? FEAR and at times terro
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Found some new material. Maybe not new to some in here. New to me. Giving credit to our brother Rama Ranson from posting these internal letters (from late 80’s) on FB. Absolutely mind blowing. At this point I think it is best to laugh at it all because it just feels like a very nasty joke.
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What attracted me to this path is the fact that it resonated with how I had felt my whole life. I do not consider myself truly brainwashed. I did not need a guru to tell me this place sucks. Even though many love it here, I have wanted to escape as long as I remember. So bhakti yoga was a good match for me. It validated my feeling so alien here. I had also always been attracted to monastic li
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The bottom line is that we are kept in total darkness. The only solace may be blind faith and accepting one of the religious programs that this reality offers us. It seems as though this reality is hard to handle without belief and faith. At the end of the day if one has to be on a spiritual crack 24/7, Krishna is still more pleasant and less boring than other religions and scriptures. A god
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Run Forest Run, I have not read the comments in here for a while. I just saw what you wrote about taking your daughter to the ashram. I had no idea you were dragged into this by your mother. I felt as though you entered the butler group as an adult as I did. I truly find it mind blowing how Krishna can get away with everything he does and make us beleive that whatever he does is pure, but fo
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I know that it is really tough to swallow red pills because going down the rabbit hole, connecting dots, critical thinking are very “life” shattering. The pull of the krishna consciousness is the strongest I have ever experienced and I get it why some cannot let go. As I have been living in a very hellish (by design) life since I left, there are days I still think of the good times, inner satis
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I ask myself a question. Is there truly hope for people who have developped such faith than they are willing to ingest a guru’s toenails with a glass of water that was used to wash their feet? Is this truly spiritual life? What a very strange system of worship? I think the gods have a very good sense of humor. But guess what? We can either play these stupid games in exchange for some bliss or
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I have written enough about butler, krishna and the cult. So I just wanted to share with the whole forum a sample of the shameful abuse that goes on in the cult. Please see the link at the end of the post. I know that not everybody reads the 800 pages written on him. This is the kitchen rules. Judge for yourselves. This is slavery in the name of service to guru and god. This man and his wife
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Just sharing interesting info as I find them time to time. I know many ex butler devotees in here think ACB was perfect. However he said a lot of very non sensical damaging things. This ex iskcon kid had the guts to say it as it is. Sorry to the Faithful Bhaktivedanta Followers too. I am not here to please anybody or handle people with velvet gloves. I only expose the not so pretty truth. No
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Just passing by to say I am truly sick to my stomach to see butler in tusli. I also wanted to share the full kitchen rules for all to see. It has triggered me to the max. Tulsi uses the same deceptions, charismatic and kind external shell. I do not doubt she is a good person. Just brainwashed since birth. I tried to red pill some people about her being handled by butler and who he really is
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I have been thinking a lot in the past weeks as to how I could not see through the madness of my covert cult: The science of identity. And a narcissistic, germaphobic, rather abusive guru (chris butler). How did a person like myself who has had such high BS detector end up in such setting. To put up with so much fear and coertion? How could so many Iskcon devotees be misled by the wolves in sa
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Run Forest Run, Everybody in that cult has built their identity around K consciousness. Not only the mentally ill and those who have a history of trauma. Of course their identity is built around it. We are told that our identity is eternal loving servant of Krishna. The cult is full of extremely sane, talented, no past trauma people who hold very good jobs. They were still brainwashed and me
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I seriously think that this whole thing is messed up as hell. Those deities are not what they seem to be. They watch a low life like butler ruin their reputation and make so many suffer. For 40 god damn years and plus. But they get on my back and try everything they can to turn me into ashes? A person who has tried to be service to others and be righteous as much as possible. I let you imag
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I am taking a great risk sharing my personal story in here. I have seen way too many posts debunking this and debunking that. If your mind is not open enough, you may want to refrain from going forward in reading my story. I am asking you to have great compassion and respect for me sharing this in here. My heart, my body, my psyche are shattered in 20000 pieces. It is for those who believe t
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P.S just wanted to clarify that the video I linked from the clash of the titans is to explain how I see the SoI: A love, fear, pain, bliss... emotion factory. All mixed together. People are just emotions. The minds are only used in service. It is the right path imbalance. Imagine if love, fear were a currency. They would make billions. This clip kind of spoke to me in this way. In case it d
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The warfare in my own life is very real. My leaving the cult was very costly and still is. I am not sure why I am so important to the forces behind this path, that they must put so much effort into playing these games. Love and devotion cannot be forcefully taken by giving me a bliss crack pipe. Then torture me on the side by putting me into the care of the nazi butler disciples. No sir! That
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My friend run forest run, I have great respect for you calling these bastards out. You see that SoI cesspool with 20/20 vision and I agree that the time has come for it to stop. Yes they better avoid this forum because it is like the kind of light that turns vampires into ashes. They are better off hiding behind the excuse that demons are trying to destory the mission of their lord and maste
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I thought I would be able to close the doors on the SoI doors. But when I look back at my tragectory and all the pain that was imposed upon me in the group and when I left, I am not able to do that. Malcolm X said: “We did not land on planet Rock. Planet Rock landed on us”. I did not chose this path. It forcefully entered my life. When I was 12 this philosphy was injected into my psyche.
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One thing people must know is that the boat accident must be very obviously a scam. If that other disciple had truly caused the death and ruin their reputation, he would be banned and thrown into the eternal dog house. When those money hungry monsters ask for donations all the time and make people work for free till 3 AM, would pay for a top lawyer? Hello? Do you believe in Santa? No need to
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Is this man truly worthy of these prayers? How we have been fooled. Belief is so powerful. 1) The lotus feet of our spiritual master are the only way by which we can attain pure devotional service. I bow to your lotus feet with great awe and reverence. By your grace one can cross the ocean of material suffering and obtain the mercy of Krishna. 2) My only wish is to have my consciou
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We should NEVER fall for the mystical traps that sent us to this path and kept us there. We all had many red flags in our hearts we did not listen to. People do not fall for the simulated synchronicities and bliss. It is all a golden prison. A loving god would not want you to be treated like this in a spiritual community. Wake up! Not all that glitters is gold. To hell with the transcenden
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Dawatcher just wanted to make it clear that I don’t want to trash Balakhilya’s family. They are decent people. They just happen to have the priviledge of being related to a guy who is well connected. They also do not know how ugly it is to take advantage of those privileges and be treated differently than us, just lowly non elite devotees. May they never find out how ugly and unfair it all is
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This scene from the matrix is what happened to me when I first dared google butler in 2015. They should replace the word matrix with the science of identity. Entering this forum is the ultimate red pill. Not for the faint at heart. Stay in the cult and be blissed out by the nectar of devotion and enjoy your slavery. Leave the cult and find out that you were a slave and that your master is an
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We cannot let butler’s main men get away. We must also give credit to the cult leader’s co creators. The secondary false idols. So let us talk about johnny midgett aka balakhilya das. The entity who travels to all the centers in the world. Treated like a superstar. Most worshipsble lord after butler. The one who watches abuse going on at many centers and never stops them. Who cares about dev
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This is your farewell gift Dawatcher. Frameit and hang it in your washroom. Because this guru does not belong on the altar but in the toilet. Form quotesman: "You are all demons, you are just like fucking ISKCON, You’re all condemned!!!" "I am not condemning you, you are condemning yourself." "My Godbrothers in ISKCON are clumps of dog stool.” &quo
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Leaving the cult of Chris butler and Krishna has been quite a long, painful, interesting, enlightening journey. I had always been a truth seeker since I was a child and never felt attracted to the material construct. I mostly wanted to know where I come from and where we are going when we finally leave this body. Due to my personal family dynamics and genes, I was very prone to depression and
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