Bhaktivedanta does come across as a kind being. Howevever he did make some comments that are very questionable. I greatly appreciate your sacrifice for bringing this path to the west. And I will never forget what it did for me. I do believe he was very linked to the deities he served and they gave him inspiration and strength. I also heard he told people Kirtanananda was a pure devotee. And t
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Whirlwind if you are attached to this process, get in touch with the Narayana Maharaja group. I communicated with a very nice disciple who used to be with iskcon. When ACBP left the planet, she became a discipe of Narayana Maharaja. They are much cleaner and decent people. Say goodbye to those abusive,fanatical lunatics.
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Very good read.
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It is time for the followers to stop fooling themselves and put a big picture of Butt (ler) in the middle instead of the deities. This has become a butler worship cult. The level of power that he has over the followers is much greater than the power of so-called God (s). He has gone way beyond his role of middleman and he has become the center man. Unless God is an abuser, I am not sure how
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What is chastisement in reality in the SOI= GLORIFIED ABUSE Please do not underestimate the damage they are creating on a soul level.
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What is a mind game in the group is the polarity of it. Butler is half Moses half Pharaoh. On one side he helps people to some extent spiritually and on the other side he treats them like slaves. Slaves that built an empire for him. Fear, control are mixed with kindness,love... The typical narcissistic dynamics which keeps people in an emotional prison until they realize what is going on.
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Run forest run is there even more garbage that we are not aware of? Peverted lifesyle? What more goes on behind the butler doors that we have not discussed in here. Perverted can have a few meanings. It is truly time for EVERYTHING to be revealed.
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One thing that makes me laugh or cry so hard is butler’s claim that the devotee of krishna is Atmarama. Self satisfied. This on top of the fear of offenses to the pure devotee mind control via fear. He needs noone but krishna and he is doing us all a favor. That it is a calamity to put up with all the disciples and students. I understand this must be the case with some genuine saddhus. Those
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Not sure why all my message did not show. I know a devotee who said she was deserving to get hit by a car because she was offensive in her mind. She truly said to me she thought something terrible would happen to her due to offense. In her MIND CONTROLLED mind. To be able to scare people to this degree and make them relish in their punishment is not divine. SoI = Mind control.
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I truly want everybody to consider the psychological crimes that has been commited in the Krishna cults. We cannot underestimate the level of damage and lunacy that goes on in there. On one side they brainwash you day and night that the lords are the most loving and forgiving. On the other side, they are waiting and ready to punish devotees. An ex devotee friend was almost killed by an intoxi
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I truly want everybody to consider the psychological crimes that has been commited in the Krishna cult. We cannot underestimate the level of damage and lunacy that goes on in there. On one side they brainwash you day and night that the lords are the most loving and forgiving ever. On the other side, they are waiting and ready to punish devotees. An ex devotee friend was almost killed by an in
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I truly want everybody to consider the psychological crimes that has been commited in the Krishna cult. We cannot underestimate the level of damage and lunacy that goes on in there. On one side they brainwash you dayand night that the lords are the most loving and forgiving ever. On the other side, they are waiting and ready to punish devotees. When devote
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Kamz1 you should for sure share. Also contct henri jolicoeur via his youtube channel. He has testimonies from the abused men.
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I will never forget how my roommates would get home from a long day work and be forced to sit behind a computer to work for wailana. SoI is partially a free labor center for wailana and now the Tulsi campain. One devotee had to work with a super old computer. Other devotees who were tech savvy, had to come every few weeks and try to repair that computer until 2 AM. if you’re saving a minimum
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By the way , apologies for all the typos. Ipad is keeping me humble! My heart breaks for all the people who are being exploited. They think that they are doing these people a favor by using them as slaves. All because they feel bliss and there is a promise of getting off the wheel of birth an death. The criminals use devotees for free in the kitchen and fine them at the same time. What the a
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Ufortunately my personal experienes and insights do not really fit in here. I think my views may be way too fringe. We can only explore the tip of the iceberg. Noone is ready for deeperand uglier truth. I just know that the fear of offenses has been used as a tool to keep devotees in line. Also a sadisdic state of mind they use all the time. Like oh she went crazy because of offenses. He o
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This video will show how dangerous this whole OFFENSES to the pure devotee deal is. How it led to the murder of a devotee in Iskcon. A person who got invloved is blowing the whistle after decades. We should never underestimate how the fear of offenses leads to fatal fanaticism. How painful it was to always live in fear of being offensive or hearing offenses. If there was no fear of offense
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What is the highest achievement in Bhakti Yoga: “Krishna is free to do anything and everything”. Pretty much like the story of JOB. No matter what he does I will love him unconditionally. This unconditional acceptance leaves room for all kinds of abuse. In a material relationship, one is encouraged to run away from a narcissist, abusive relation. If your material father makes you cry and k
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We all have our own personal experiences and I spoke enough of mine. If a philosphy presents no dangers, then one should not be careful how it is interpreted. And in whose hands it falls. I cannot run after saintly people and find the ones who are walking the talk. Same ways as one should not shop for non pedophile priests. What is the basis of this religion? It tells you that you fell fr
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It is time to look at how strict and unforgiving the philosphy can be. When it encourages one t take their own lives if they hear serious offense, what are you exoectiing of its gurus. Amazing how the path is getting away with pretty much everything. And they have found a way to put all the blame on the nasty gurus. How smart. How cunning. Give a kid a loaded gun and blane the kid for killing
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Yes for sure. The individual path has been the greatest journey ever. I love how much I have grown separating myself and discovering my own relation to the divine. And to also connect to who I am as unique and individual soul. Once we try and find our own truth, we also get many invisible guides who give is insights, teachings... We are never alone. And we must learn to let go of all fears.
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I have been in this group for many months and tried my best to share my personal experiences. In all of Henri’s interviews, people only speak of brainwashing and the many faults of butler. This path is not as simple as this. I was already internally guided to the vedic wisdom at age 12. Without anybody talking about it or being born in such culture. I already wanted big answers at age 6. I g
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At the end of the day butler is stil very dear to the ones he is serving despite the lunacy, fear and control. Nobody is really ready for my insights, or to hear about my ultra supernatural experiences. I do not get to conclusions lightly. I have both observed and experienced things that cannot even be seen in movies. I absolutley do not believe that the divine unseen forces are solely JUST
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Most people who get abused do not havesolid boundaries or enough self respect. Like we have been abused verbally, emotionally since childhood. Or those who are too trusting and empathic. The we also start abusting oursleves through nasty inner dialogue, eating or emotional disorders... So the healing must be mostly focused on a healthy relation with self. To become a protective parent and
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There is no such a thing as a free lunch in this ruthless jungle. The so called devotees get many advantages too. Bliss, security of having a community, inner peace, a strong prefabricated belief, some bread crumbs mystical synchronicities aka Krishna’s arrangement, promise of going back home for good (be it true or a lie), burning off Karma, protection from the mind (by being busy beyond 24 ho
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Listen, no need to lament for those humble ones who get abused or Fuc...... The last ones will be the first ones. Apparently everything is upside down here. The bullies who do quite well in this jungle realm have it really good, but the other side will not be so great for them. The straws that get abused and crucified in the name of humility and faith, will be rewarded with an amazing etern
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No worries. I make long post and give long answers. Yes, recovery is not an easy process. Abuse leaves scars. The most important thing is to take our inner power back. The power we gave our abusers. And we must be very kind and compassionate toward ourselves. This is what helps me the most. Being raised with emotional abusers, I started also using a hateful inner language all my life. I would
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What is a Narcissist truly or those who have pronounced narcissistic traits. They are just another human being who happens to have the mission of making other people’s lives hell. Unfortunately they usually don’t know how horrible they are and always put the blame on others. Some of them are of course also attracted to spirituality and finding some happiness in this world. They enter spiri
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At the end of the day let us not forget that we are all actors and puppets in a giant cosmic game. It is non different for Butler and the elites of the group. Nothing more than some players in a giant simulation. If these horrible games were not serving some higher beings or purpose, they would not be allowed. The suffering, fear, control, abuse... are all allowed to exist in these insituti
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I lived at the center. It was either get the shot or leave. So I guess we can consider this forcing a person to take the vaccine. I had no other options. I was not the person I am now. I used to be a good obedient, submissive dog. They trained me well. lol!
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