Ufortunately my personal experienes and insights do not really fit in here. I think my views may be way too fringe. We can only explore the tip of the iceberg. Noone is ready for deeperand uglier truth. I just know that the fear of offenses has been used as a tool to keep devotees in line. Also a sadisdic state of mind they use all the time. Like oh she went crazy because of offenses. He o
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This video will show how dangerous this whole OFFENSES to the pure devotee deal is. How it led to the murder of a devotee in Iskcon. A person who got invloved is blowing the whistle after decades. We should never underestimate how the fear of offenses leads to fatal fanaticism. How painful it was to always live in fear of being offensive or hearing offenses. If there was no fear of offense
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What is the highest achievement in Bhakti Yoga: “Krishna is free to do anything and everything”. Pretty much like the story of JOB. No matter what he does I will love him unconditionally. This unconditional acceptance leaves room for all kinds of abuse. In a material relationship, one is encouraged to run away from a narcissist, abusive relation. If your material father makes you cry and k
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We all have our own personal experiences and I spoke enough of mine. If a philosphy presents no dangers, then one should not be careful how it is interpreted. And in whose hands it falls. I cannot run after saintly people and find the ones who are walking the talk. Same ways as one should not shop for non pedophile priests. What is the basis of this religion? It tells you that you fell fr
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It is time to look at how strict and unforgiving the philosphy can be. When it encourages one t take their own lives if they hear serious offense, what are you exoectiing of its gurus. Amazing how the path is getting away with pretty much everything. And they have found a way to put all the blame on the nasty gurus. How smart. How cunning. Give a kid a loaded gun and blane the kid for killing
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Yes for sure. The individual path has been the greatest journey ever. I love how much I have grown separating myself and discovering my own relation to the divine. And to also connect to who I am as unique and individual soul. Once we try and find our own truth, we also get many invisible guides who give is insights, teachings... We are never alone. And we must learn to let go of all fears.
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I have been in this group for many months and tried my best to share my personal experiences. In all of Henri’s interviews, people only speak of brainwashing and the many faults of butler. This path is not as simple as this. I was already internally guided to the vedic wisdom at age 12. Without anybody talking about it or being born in such culture. I already wanted big answers at age 6. I g
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At the end of the day butler is stil very dear to the ones he is serving despite the lunacy, fear and control. Nobody is really ready for my insights, or to hear about my ultra supernatural experiences. I do not get to conclusions lightly. I have both observed and experienced things that cannot even be seen in movies. I absolutley do not believe that the divine unseen forces are solely JUST
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Most people who get abused do not havesolid boundaries or enough self respect. Like we have been abused verbally, emotionally since childhood. Or those who are too trusting and empathic. The we also start abusting oursleves through nasty inner dialogue, eating or emotional disorders... So the healing must be mostly focused on a healthy relation with self. To become a protective parent and
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There is no such a thing as a free lunch in this ruthless jungle. The so called devotees get many advantages too. Bliss, security of having a community, inner peace, a strong prefabricated belief, some bread crumbs mystical synchronicities aka Krishna’s arrangement, promise of going back home for good (be it true or a lie), burning off Karma, protection from the mind (by being busy beyond 24 ho
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Listen, no need to lament for those humble ones who get abused or Fuc...... The last ones will be the first ones. Apparently everything is upside down here. The bullies who do quite well in this jungle realm have it really good, but the other side will not be so great for them. The straws that get abused and crucified in the name of humility and faith, will be rewarded with an amazing etern
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No worries. I make long post and give long answers. Yes, recovery is not an easy process. Abuse leaves scars. The most important thing is to take our inner power back. The power we gave our abusers. And we must be very kind and compassionate toward ourselves. This is what helps me the most. Being raised with emotional abusers, I started also using a hateful inner language all my life. I would
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What is a Narcissist truly or those who have pronounced narcissistic traits. They are just another human being who happens to have the mission of making other people’s lives hell. Unfortunately they usually don’t know how horrible they are and always put the blame on others. Some of them are of course also attracted to spirituality and finding some happiness in this world. They enter spiri
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At the end of the day let us not forget that we are all actors and puppets in a giant cosmic game. It is non different for Butler and the elites of the group. Nothing more than some players in a giant simulation. If these horrible games were not serving some higher beings or purpose, they would not be allowed. The suffering, fear, control, abuse... are all allowed to exist in these insituti
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I lived at the center. It was either get the shot or leave. So I guess we can consider this forcing a person to take the vaccine. I had no other options. I was not the person I am now. I used to be a good obedient, submissive dog. They trained me well. lol!
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I was forced to take th flu shot and it totally destroyed my health. The bird flu paranoia was fantastic. Some were even encouraged to buy guns in an end days type scenario. Where it would get to the point of people getting into breaking in to your house to steal out of hunger and chaos. Maybe it will happen one day. Who knows? I must give Mr. B credit for the pandemic prophecy. I wonder ho
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By the way for those who have insiders in the group. Are they FORCING all devotees to get vaccinated for covid? I was FORCED to get the flu shot during bird flu (Asides from being also forced to gather food for a few months out of fear of pandenmic). I was told I could not live at the center if I did not get the shot. I got sick like a dog every single month as my body reacts badly to the fl
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No matter how much truth is exposed on the net and all the old letters from ACB...butler and his minions will be looked at with the highest respects. They will be taken care of till the monment of death and will be remembered as great saintly people. All those who are in the group are part of a shameful spiritual community and by preaching they just recruit clueless souls that will become slave
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So all the testimonies just show that butler has a very huge hypnotic charima assisted by some cosmic forces that manipulate our minds and emotions. I have explained my journey to SoI in a post “mystical forces that drove some of us to K consciousness”. I cannot blame Tusta k das and others for falling into the trap with the inner confirmation that he is a special being. They will all die ha
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The only pure anything I see in that cult is PURE madneness. They can keep their pure devotees and cult of personalitIES. May they always find happiness in the sweet “crack free” illusion they have created.
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Tulsi’s campaign is bringing in millions of dollars. A total stranger said that 14 million dollars was raised by Iskcon via their rich members. The same Iskcon we were trained to hate as much as Homosexuals. The fallen criminals. Now we hang out with them and pretend we are on the same team as well as throwing the title Hindu in there. Let us cover all grounds. Now Tulsi’s campaign is a sour
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Imagine being born into this lie. What a miserable destiny. I used to think it was such a blessed birth. Tulsi knows nothing else and sees the guru as God’s voice on earth. She cannot very often think for herself and she must check everything with butler. Her Iskcon speach is without a doubt written by her guru. I may be wrong but I could totally hear his style. How miserable is this life?
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I truly feel sorry for the SoI devotees. They remind me a bit of kids that are kept in cages all their lives. It is only after decades that I am finding out about other Sanghas and how inauthentic SoI, the guru and the teachers are. They really know what the hell they are doing by forbidding followers to look elsewhere and brainwash them to think butler is the worldwide expert in Bhakti Yoga.
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Our group was very complex. It is hard to blame the guru for the subbordinates. You would have exteremely compassionate and kind ones and some nasty and controlling ones like mine. I have had many different experiences. In lectures, the guru always criticized callous behavior. I cannot tell you how covert the lies and the past of the guru are. I only found oit about it all in this forum.
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Our group dynamics were really bad because of the leader of the center. The guru has thousands of followers and I never saw him in person. That center was a nasty experience for pretty much everybody. Many ran to other centers because of thag leader. No I did have full faith in guru when I left. I left the center and stayed attached to them for many years. I truly left the cult last year
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I know that many follow this discussion without participating. I don’t think there will ever be a legal action taken against SoI. I feel as though this subject that started in 2004 by a simple question is to be considered a divine court of law. Many witnesses came forward, most of the secrets are now in the open, we have denounced and judged. Narcissists and religious Fanatics (illusion o
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Dharmalion2003, there are many different gurus and many different philosophies. In the tradition I was following, guru is key. He is the middle man. Pleasing guru is equal to pleasing God. So guru is taken very seriously. He is your ticket out of the miserable material world. In our case, those who stay do not know all the lies and dirty secrets. Yes of course there is still benefits. The
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Arrest them for what? For being able to brainwash thousands of adults who find joy in free labor, fear and control? Everybody is an enabler in cults and responsible for running a toxic show. Bringing in new people who will in their turn get brainwashed and transformed into free labor slaves. Who creates these narcissist guru monsters? Who gives them power, glorifies them? What would they be
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Vera City, I know that the Medium essay was a cheap attempt. By weakness I meant the irrational, aggressive tones of some words that these people used against them. Attacking a cult is not a sign of weakness. Yes of course everybody is entitled to their privacy and it is a choice not to confront them directly. Rama Ranson is a testimony that these guys are not that dangerous. Otherwise he wo
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I have not watched the series. It looks interesting. There are a few good podcatsts out there on cults I really liked. I think Holy Hell is my top to go documentary on Charismatic gurus and the power they have on the followers.
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