Hi Fohr. Welcome to the butler vortex. Nice to have you in here. Glad to see you are feeling more normal. How do devotees lose the sense of self? I personally was thrown into it so hard, I will never understand. And in all honesty nothing in life will ever compare to the happiness I got from relating to Krishna. I would get up at 5 the same way a mother should be pleased to go through aust
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Ok. So I have some interesting news. The twitter account of the journalist who wrote meanwhile in Hawaii has been deleted. Why? I suspect it is because of the 9 pages kitchen rules that without any doubts proves that this false idol is an abusive lunatic. Imagine their distress when they found out about it. Oh poor soldiers of lord chaitanya. The demons have rained on your heavenly parade of l
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When I speak of a safe place, I am not referring to trauma alone. I just wanted to make sure that chastisment does not become a norm on this forum. I am not as fragile as I sound in here. As I said it befre, we are all many sides to us. Yes the spiritual trauma that has been installed in me, has affected me very badly but it is not the end of the world. I see my passage at SoI as an inf
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Run Forest Run, frozen nick who is not even an ex SoI member was quite clear as to how I come across: Holier than thou Iskcon fanatic. You see, I find it absolutely amazing that someone who has not even been affected by butler directly uses such familiarities with me. This forum is not a spiritual tourist attraction. It must be a safe place for those who have suffered in the hands of butler.
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I just have to clarify something very important. In case many more in here felt I am just an arrogant, annoying krishna fanatic who knows nothing more. There are possibly many more who have judged me in here. I was told that this is the ONLY path I know. That would urely make me look even more arrogant. How the heck does anybody in here know my spiritual resume? And how was it determined tha
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Many years ago when I was looking for a meditation class and enlightnment, I came across an attractive brochure. It was about meditation, Karma, reincarnation… The most attractive part of it was that was free. I could certainly afford to pay for a class, but it showed me they were sincerely wanting to help others. All the classes and gatherings (with food) are free or donation based. They
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There are many complexities that come with these cults. Every single person is on their own trip and their own reality. This forum is no longer a place I can enter without a shield or second gessing myself. Even though we are total strangers, we give ourselves freedom to attack each other. My massive arrogance, anger is mostly directed toward butler and the abuse that goes on in the cult. It
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Run Forest Run, Your rejection of it all is solely your business and nobody else’s. As you said it, you are fine with who you are. The way others view us is their business. We spent way too many years held hostage of the approval of the cult leaders and members. This journey is extremely individual and we all have our stories which seems to be quite different from each other. I know that b
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Run Forst Run, what is magic anyway? Also here we are talking about black magic, which is a totally different story and a very long one. Look at me. I stayed because of the supernatural phenom from the start. It was not the only reason but it is what kept me hostage of blind faith. You say you would have stayed if you had witnessed some siddhis. butler has a few powers. He can produce holy f
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Corby, amongst butler’s followers you can find absolutely stellar souls. Extremely humble but not doormats. Very respectful. Not feeeling superior to anyone… A sincere devotee should not feel superior to others whatsoever. If some do, it is a sign of fanaticism. Those who come from solid, healthy upbringing, stable mental and emotional health, have an easiser time navigating the whole humil
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Run Forest Run, thanks for being so open about your experiences as a kid. It is quite amazing that you were able to bounce back. Do you remember the “if I come back, I wish to be a fly in the home of the pure devotee”. How do they come up with that stuff? I am grateful I had the freedom to try and find what truly resonated with me. This is something I will never take for granted. The proce
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Culthusiats, devotees are not immuned to such attacks. Be it mental or spiritual. I would truly be careful about the black magic rumor. There are things that my heart rejects as false info and this is one them. Hyperdimentional attacks are well known in some communities. It is hard to know why and how it happens to some. But I doubt that butler has anything to do with it personally. I just
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Culthusiast what are the suspicious actions, reported abilities… Are those just rumors or facts? Please elaborate if possible. I have a hard time buying this one. Even though at this point nothing will surprise me. I remember when we thought we were saving the world by spraying maha water on the gatherings food. Or the sense of being some kind of undercover spiritual agent when you helped
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Truly sorry Frozen Nick and thanks for being honest. I hope that my wasting so much time in here speaking of the supernatural does not just end with the conclusion that: These are just my experiences and they do not serve anybody else. I have had some minor experiences with the deities of abrahamic religions. Everyhing just went next level as soon as I started chanting the maha mantra and
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I doubt they are doing black magic woodoo. However I seem to be the only person who is discussing the supernatural aspect of the path. It feels a bit lonely and lunatic to be the only one bringing it to the table. The way I personally ended in the group and everything else I have experienced with this group feels like magic. I have said it many times that I feel butler is backed up by some f
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Well with these lunatics anything is possible. I somehow doubt that they would hide this. They love the glorification of butler too much. They also know that the sheep will run to the seniors such as midgett, bellord, tibby. The SoI ship will not sink so easily. The demigods of SoI are ready to jump in and save the day. Even if he leaves, wailana will keep her pure devotee statues. People
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Why would they hide the disappearance? Are they afraid people would suddenly stop slaving for wailana? I have doubts about it. You think they will not glorify the disappearance of their idol and let him leave this in secret? Hide the passing of the founder of the cult of personality? It would be a great loss to have this expert virologist leave during a pandemic. After all we spent all our
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Listen I am not an atheist. I entered this reality with the god program engraved into me. Not that it was injected in me by my family. I was inherently attracted to a higher being. I know that something greater is operating this very complex truman show and we are all actors. Something does not add up. In all scriptures, god is always kicking the behind of the sinful. Be it invisibly like the
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What value has scripture when tulsi swears on it? Scripture has no value in a corrupt system. It is good for decoration. And what is the value of it when the brahmans who teach them do not have moral codes? Oh let me give a class in between few drug smuggling transactions and money laundering. I think the gita is also thick enough to protect butler from the imaginary bullets of his envious en
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As a person who has experienced the supernatural full blown, I will not dismiss you or think you are mentally ill. However know that it will be hard to make others believe your experiences without being labled. It is something only you can understand and have witnessed. Unless someone else was there.
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The fact that I suggest addressing them directly has a very valid purpose. From my experiences, in all my years of being with them, they never take responsibility. Every person that leaves, is because of Maya and their own offenses. Every suicide, drug addiction… is based on offenses and is used to glorify butler. One time I was under huge emotional abuse and I addressed the leader as well a
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Imagine if you found a friend, mate… and they came with 5000000 pages of manual and another person who tells you how to act and relate to these people? I am not sure many people would find it so attractive. Why is it that normal in this process. This is a very unique way to relate to divinity. Constantly under the microscope of other disciples and devotees who will judge your level of advanc
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I almost fell off my bed when I saw this short video. Wailana talks about rest and sleep. Something that does not exist in the dictionary of very surrendered souls. The hypocrisy is very real. No shame whatsoever. And what are these new stupid short videos about?
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I was told in this forum by a member that I should not encourage people to face the cult directly. How are thye going to understand and get it in their thick heads that their group is semo rotten, narcissists and full of demonic influences. You think they give one single damn that DEMONS such as us are tarnishing their reputation? They think that the fires of hell and Yamaraja are waiting for
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Thank you run forest run. Your story is too similar to Ian’s. Absolute madness. Truly unforgivable and traumatic. I will always apprecaite all of you in here for exposing the disgusting truth. Who told you about the details of the hashish business? I am very curious to know how so we know that top dogs were also involved? It is not just a rumor? I guess they never though internet would betr
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Run Forest Run, this is quite an adventure. This is uncredible. I did not know that some were going from one group to the other. I was so stupid I thought the only option was Iskcon. And besides at the time I was internally brainwashed. I did not even think of looking elsewhee. I just felt that this is as good as it gets. If you write a book about your experiences, I will for sure read it.
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Run Forest Run. Thanks for the article on the mantra. I am glad the article I shared helped. Could you please tell me a bit about your journey if you do not mind? If it is private I totally respect that. Sorry if you have already spoken about it. Just send me back to that post if this is the case. How was your experiences different at Iskcon versus SOI? How come you guys switched to SoI or
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We have been more virus and germ conscious than krishna conscious. I have a feeling that devotees will be encouarged to buy masks from the wailana store. Same way we bought all Yoga material from them. The fear of viruses was never about caring for devotees. It was about protecting the pure devotees. If uou got sick then you could not easily do your service to butler and stay awake till 3
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I tried to avoid the V subject in here. There has been some drama in regards to it few months ago. So I let it go. Best to avoid getting there. I guess it is more the paranoia and non sense I am interested in. The bird flu was almost like an end of the world scenario. Hoarding food for 6 months. Getting ready for the zombie appocalypse and house invasions. Sars was all about wearing masks wh
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Who has insiders in the cult right now? Or who are those who post here snd still have one foot in the cult! How are they managing the pandemic with the usual butler virus paranoia? They no longer can preach, gather…? How is life isn holy hell these day! The pandemic may have saved some souls from getting trapped in the butler net.
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