Yes dying without 100 cm makeup can be quite painful in some cases. And when butler and his nightingale wife finally leave their slave master shell of a body, the Evian, mask, gloves, tinfoil, makeup industry will get hit hard. I wonder if the old foold who step in when these paraistes die, will be as demanding as their fake idols. When the serious oldies all leave, I am not sure how long th
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The poor SoI devotes will spend their lives getting boosted and worrying about new diseases such as monkeypox. Diseases have always mattered much more than spiritual advancement in that group. Imagine how miserable material life and relations can be, that humans consider that to be spiritual life and happiness. This is truly a sad sign.
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What is truly amazing in the krishna cult is that the abusers will die in all glory and have people shed tears for them. It is all about how much of a good pimp you have been for gurudeva. How many people you have introduced as free slaves to wailana and facilitated sweatshops in your house. Who gives a damn how many souls you have destroyed or turned into atheists? It was their fault, the
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I have been thinking about fear quite a bit recently. I feel that in general, it is needed to some extent. Imagine if there were no legal consequences or spiritual consequences to some horrible actions. A healthy dose of fear in order to act more decently is not a huge deal. However that kind of fear that makes you walk on eggshells is something else. If we are a moral being and try not to
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I was thinking that Krishna cons. is a positive thing is many ways. Like how it forces you to control your mind and thoughts. To be responsible for your actions… Try to always make the right decision that is not harmful to you and others… Since I have lost my faith and the desire to please god and guru 24/7, I am not as much of a sweet doormat. It is meant to make your life a bit easier in
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Leslie, thank you so much for your validation. I often pass for lunatic or I get on people’s nerves for trying and educate them on the supernatural aspects of this reality and krishna consciousness. I also wrote a post called the mystical powers that brought some of us… I explain how I even landed in that group. To be honest with you, the scifi level of my experience is next level. And I dou
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None of these fancy words. The process we entered in, was fear and salvery mixed with some joy, peace and bliss. The Western, decadent unqualified version which turns devotees into atheists. It is only the power of illusion that keeps people alive and ready to follow such toxic bs rules. If people woke up from the trance, butler and his wife would be busy washing their toilets. As I said
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It truly does not matter what we each think about the process. It is an individual experience. It is sad that after the nasty setting of SoI , we start to attack each other in here about our different views and our personal journeys on the path. I know that I can be an ass at times. The healing process from a lifetime of abuse is not easy. I am rebuilding a new version of myself and I guess
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It is quite shameful that empathic souls cannot feel safe in a setting that goes beyond the Christian values. This is truly the betrayal that cuts like a knife. How they just walk all over you when you actually act the way you are supposed to. This is why hostile enviroment such as SoI do not encourage one to safely attain the so called pure devotee goal. Imagine being a Haridas Thakura tha
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Finding a genuine saintly person in this age of corruption will be quite a rare thing. As I explained here many times, there is too much sentimentalities and extraordinary involved in this path in order for one to stay objective. When you let your emotions, synchronicties and some magical phenom guide you, you almost no longer have your own judgment going on. Imagine how many in the west have
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And one more thing. The mystic powers “crap” as you name it, are way more luring than anybody can imagine. And they can also be used to scare a person. It also depends how big or small the phenom is. Another thing that is very important to remember is that all “minds” are different. And yes we can get very tough to motivate others. We all know that the mind is a very powerful tool. It is
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Before we come to blame ourselves for letting others abuse us, we must also hold the abusers accountable. Noone has any business abusing anoybody else. Especially in spiritual communities where we get as fragile and trusting as toddlers. Where the leaders of the centers are supposed to be representing the so called pure devotee of god on earth who loves us “unconditionally”. Even though I wa
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If that level of being in control of our minds was so easily obtained, our society would not be in this shape. There are many factors that makes it so people end up being hostage of spiritual communities. If one had such strong sense of self and their psyche, they would not trust a semi lunatic such as butler. Do you realize that many of us are the results of dysfunctional families. You grow
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Sorry if I get a bit too passionate about this subject. I wish it was taken a bit more seriously. I know how many are kept hostage of such phenom. I truly want to help souls not to put up with abuse of any kind. Especially spiritual. No matter how many spiritual gifts or bliss we get, it is not worth having others kick us and keep us in fear. I am slowly making peace with my cult misadvent
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We, in these human avatars and minds, are way too small and limited to figure out this gigantic cosmic game. The who, why, how… However I insist that those who start having strong faith in any religion, is not because they are just fools. Even if one sees nothing mystical in a deity crying tears of blood or oil, some so called saints who had stigmatas on the palm of their hands, miracles ha
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My dear friend, are free to consider that there is nothing mystical about my experiences. I know what I know and what I have seen. We just use words such as mystical supernatural, extraordinary to describe things that most humans do not experience. What I shared here is still the very basic experiences. Imagine if I had to share even more. I am sorry if I have experienced all these mind blo
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Krishna consc. was meant to save the most fallen. The issue is that the fallen became gurus instead of remaining students and disciples. We are all polluted to some extent. I myself have always admited to being one of the patients of the butler mental hospital. There is nothing wrong with the fact that butler is plagued with some disorders and phobias. He is just not qualified to be a bhakti
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The main and most important lesson ne must extract from it all, is the power of illusion. How we can so easily be pulled into something so non sensical. Get so blnded we can hardly see the dysfunctions. If you see them, you must brainwash yourself into thinkig you are offensive or a demon. Of course noone is really interested going deep enough about the manipulation. We are and will always
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I know it is not easy having compassion for butler. But imagine the heavy trip of being a krishna’s Acharya. The huge bs that you are made to believe and the fact that you are supposed to carry the karma of others. Imagine if there are some beings in the unseen realm who sit and make a bet. And AC Bhaktivedanta is like: I bet I can create the most original script. And honestly this is what
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Utimately the lessons I got from the cult are very valuable and humbling. I will always be grateful to the forces that truly care about me for getting me out and for protecting me from going back. I think that the new agers will love the Iskcon and SoI devotees. As they say that we have to love the demons. The Sadomasochistic, codependent relation between humans and gods is nothing new. The
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I only wanted to bring awarness as to how this Krishna crap show truly operates. Through my experiences and those of other devotees. Showing that it is not all just brainwashing and random. And that one must not fall for the mind blowing tricks. In my eyes, I wanted to render a service by going much deeper into freeing souls from the clutches of illusion, fear, guilt, love addiction… But if
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In this whole cult education website, I have mostly come acoss minds who want to hold on to logic. Posts that want to debunk everything. Even practices that are extremely helpful to the body and psyche. And I am the one who has been titled as arrogant. Those who share a closed mind are appreciated, but those who try to bring awareness are seen as conspiracy theorists, schizo, liars, pot head
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Who has ever watched this short old video of Mike Gabbard against gay marriage? Someone should save it in case it gets deleted. It is the tackiest thing I have ever seen.
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The issue with devotees is that they think they are the MOST spiritually advanced beings on the planet. Just because they believe they hold the absolute truth and because of these synchronicities and far out phenom. However they are many layers to this reality. And many levels of being conscious. They are more awake than those who are still slave of their senses,addictions the mind… However t
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No. This is not at all related to the law of attraction. Watch the movies the truman show and the asjustment bureau. I cannot get too off subject on this forum, but it is more like a reality manipulation. And this story I just tood, is still a joke compared to even more mind blowing ones. When it comes to Krishna Consc, such mind blowing situations are created in order to get you fixed in you
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Let me once and for all reveal what was done to me in order to make me believe 10000 percent that this path is the most powerful. And that Krishna is real. After a few months of chanting, I ended up at the hopsital. A complete stranger in a male and black body was also a patient there. He was not a hare krihsna looking guy. But rather looked homeless. He even smoked. He came to me and handed m
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Please stop assuming like frozen nick what I know and do not know. Thanks!
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Does he have other centers in the world?
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Unlimately who cares? Not sure why you threw this out there. Who cares about what? Me trying to understand the most important things that enslave us and make us suffer. Or butler breaking all the mumbo jumbo vaishnava rules. Or me trying to uncover the deadly forces of evil that rule these filthy groups? Pedophelia, murders, illicit sex between gurus and devotees, drug trafficking, human salv
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Culthusiast, all that happened to me cannot be related to butler messing up whatsoever. Why would anyone get punished because of his sins? If his Sangha is corrupt, it is not my issue. I have never dealt drugs or laundered money for SoI. It is a very personal thing. And I guess that I keep it very low key here when it comes to the details. I had been under attack way before entering the cul
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