I have spent a long year feeling sorry for those who are left behind. Knowing that they have been sold a lie. That they do not not know the dark side and lies of the guru they are following. Suddenly I had an insight that helped me let go of feeling bad for them. All followers of not so genuine and absuive gurus are under the very strong power of illusion. They see the guru as a beautiful, ex
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Let is make peace with the fact that there are no perfect communities. No perfect gurus. Sorry if I am offending anyone. Putting so much pressure on one human being is not even fair. Let us admit that this process can create fanaticism and it cannot be followed in a relaxed setting. It is not for everybody. One must surrender mind, body and life. It is also from a culture which is very differe
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Sorry Rick. My bad. I realize I went totally off topic. I will only focus on the cultish side of the group and not the philosophy. And other subjects about healing. Abusive relations... Thanks for the feedback and intervention. It is all good. These situations will never happen again. Thanks.
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After spending years trying to recover from the abuse of my blood family as well as the cult family, I have come to a conclusion. I can spend my whole life nursing the wounds and 1000 different healing modalities. Focusing too much on what the abuse has done, I give too much power to the abusers. I also disempower myself by thinking about abuse way too often. We all have some scars on our bod
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Tonald Bernard (a dutch banker ) claims he was part of that group.
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The positive of that painful journey is a wealth of experiences and understanding. We have learned about Trauma bonding, fanaticism, stockholm syndrome, mind control, germaphobia, paranoia, nacissistic abuse, pathological lying, codependency.... We have found out that we have more courage than we ever thought by giving up our addiction to the cult and the people in it. And by exposing the dark
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I guess social platforms are not always a good idea when we feel vulnerable. It is my own mistake. But yes for sure we must move on. You must understand that when I come to a cult forum, I do not wish to be exposed to the same dynamics that drove me away. It is all good though. We are adults. I will be back when I feel better and have something to share. Thanks Rick. Sorry about the drama
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Unfortunately the damage is done. You put me in a very bad emotional state and reluctance to post and share in this forum again. I suggets for your own good to work on your tolerance and acceptance of other people’s views. I know that it is not your fault. I have been there. Believe me. I hope you will have the courage to be more introspective about your approach. I am used to getting punched
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I have compassion for you in my heart. I see that my personal insights and critical thinking bothers you very much as a devotee of Krishna and the custodian of your absolute truth. I have battled forces and people much nastier in my life. I decide to stay neutral against your views of me and my posts. It does not surprise me at all that a person such as yourself ended up highjacking all my post
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Your posy has not yet been higjacked by Krishna fanatics? I guess that I am the lucky one! Lol!
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I think you can benefit from a councelor yourself my friend. Keep your education to yourself please. Nobody needs to be educated about Krishna in here. There are books about that. People keep posting the most outrageous stuff but when it comes to me, I must always get attacked. Angry atheist? Lol! I am just stating facts. To think that what was done to Job is disgusting qualifies me as an atheist
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What about Moses smearing blood on the doors? Was it nevessary! Dude you realy have a problem. I am not psoting in here anymore. Who has patience for this crap. I did not escape a the mental hopsital of butler to enter another one here. Hooe you find other people to piss off with your fanaticism. That person is not going to be me. Have fun! Sooner or later, you will get kicked out.
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We are not talking about eating meat alone oh learned brahmana. I am talking about slaughtering sheep based on the story of Abraham. Trust me. I have seen with my own eyes what that poor soul went through. You think that they ahot him with a bullet? You throw scripture at me about eating meat. Try and slaughter a sheep with your own hands if you can. As an empath who loves animals witnessing th
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With all due respect I did not escape the fanatical devotees of butler to have an Iskcon devotee on my back in a forum that is dedicated to cults. You really think that I just speak out of my behind with zero knowledge of the Vedas. I will never make such statement if I had not heard it. I have way different experiences and insights than most people. I am not devoted to Krishna and this forum
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I have seen people debunk Yoga, meditation, unseen forces... If you allow me, I would like to address a tracing that has been bothering me. I hope that it will be allowed because it is a very important conversation. In all the years that I was a student of Bhakti Yoga, we were told to never speculate. We could not question anything. Even if they told you the sky was pink 5000 years ago, you ha
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A teacher, guru.... is very beneficial to some extent. I often meet people who have reached mastery in their lives and let them preach to me as to how they got there. Or get inspired by some souls who live by exemple. However this whole I put my life, my soul, my energy, my heart in the hands of a mortal being who is supposed to be perfect results in what we have seen with all the abusive teache
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My post is not specifically about Karma and Eastern philosphy. Don’t Christians always say Jesus died for our sins on the cross or bathe in the blood of Jesus! Well even if Jesus is not on the cross anymore, him on the cross is the symbol That is in most churches. And the cross is the symbol people wear around their necks. Same with the Martyrs of the Shia muslims. They love to glorify the m
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Gaja, it is normal to seek relief from pain. I too look for ways to calm the mind and I understand your situation. Noone likes to suffer. Happiness is an inside job. The mind is the battlefield. My point is not to sell our soul for bliss and love. To put up with just about anything in order to get that bliss. Like spiritual,mental and physical, financial abuse. It is when you become hostage
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I have been thinking a lot about what keeps many followers of mostly “Bhakti” Yoga prisonners of abusive gurus and toxic groups. It is 100% their addiction to bliss. Something we feel all the time when we chant and serve. It is like the transcental crack that keeps one asking for more and more. It is known that Krishna descended as Lord Chaitanya Avatar 500 years ago in order to taste love for
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We do not always get programmed. We come into this world with programs like computers vis the mind. To give our power away to an external force is something that exists in most of us. Why are humans afraid to tap into their own strength? We often become slaves of addiction, abusive relations, cults, religions... Religions offer many good guidelines as how to be a better peron and have good val
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When I entered the path of Bhakti Yoga, I arrived with a lot of baggage. Everybody enters this path or any other spiritual path with varying degrees of baggage. This is why some are doing better than others. Many people do not carry heavy loads but are looking for answers and happiness. Those like myself who need more healing, start feeling a great amount of bliss and relief as soon as we star
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If Rama is still alive after the Wailana mockery video (Namaste my slaves) nobody has anything to fear. He could have not gone any further than that. People don’t have to be rude like me. They can very politely express the misery they endured in the group. Diplomacy is not my forte. As I said it my job is over. Before they threaten anybody, they should keep a low profile for all the criminal
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As I said it, I am done with these people and my energy will not be wated anymore. I was called to post this for all of you whistleblowers. Take it or leave it. How many people have come in here since 2004? You want to make a greater difference, don’t play it small. Face the abusers. Be it so called god brothers and sisters, Disciples, Brahmans and Mr. B himself. Call them out. Tell them ho
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Hi Ian and everybody else. I am sorry if I have caused any chaos by joining the thread. My whole body and heart was charged with so much hate and anger for the way my life turned out to be after I left the cult. The Tsunami waves that I have been braving for 12 years. I have never felt as crazy as I did this past year in lockdown Loka. I see now that I must focus on my own absolutley nightm
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Sorry everybody for the bad vibes and nasty exchanges on this post. I am not sure how it got so ugly. I myself have been in a very bad space and regret the way I interacted. Since deleting is not an option, we must really weigh our words. I hope that from now on if anybody joins the conversation, it can be in a spirit of peace. I understand that many of us carry heavy baggage and times are ha
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I have been thinking a lot about the guru follower dynamics. It seems as though the not so perfect gurus are always the one on trial here and elsewhere. They are made to see as those who just take take take take. We see followers as poor victims that we all pitty and wish we could save from the dungeon like a damsel in distress. As much as I am myself fought to expose abuse, I must also ad
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When you start gushing over a guru and kiss their feet, there is no question that it is a cult. In this day and age true Saints that are worthy of so. ich praise and having their feet kissed are rare. At least he wers socks. lol! I also heard he has a good time having sex with the female followers.
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I have been posting a lot lately as we never know what tomorrow holds. Also the lockdowns are quite challenging as one cannot escape. If not for the lockdowns, I would not even be in here. Life has been altered. I want to contribute to this forum as much as I can. I have been sitting with the hurt and finally letting go of a group I had know for 20 years. I am starting to see how complex the
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Dawatcher, I must say that there are also many things that are too comical. Last summer a friend of mine (ex butler follower) was telling me stories aboit her service as a laundry girl onsite The ridiculous stuff they had to do... I laughed so hard that I almost fell off the Sofa. She was laughing too. Also the Giardia incident where all devotees had to be tested in Hawaii because one little bo
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