Apollo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > QuoteLord Haw HawA strict duty of care needs to > be dealt with. Whether it is a family unit, church > or temple, school etc. > > The safety of a child is the most important > aspect. > > Keep in mind Apollo, Mr Dave McKay, would not be > the only person in the world to have this view. I
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Malcolm Wesley WREST Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > David McKay (and the 'gangster's moll'.... his > wife Sheri Mckay) are both sick individuals who > routinely feel the need to 'rub into your face' > the fact that they hold more 'authority' than you. So you are not of the opinion that David's consort is
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The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For my part, I happen to have been in treatment > with LYDIA WEST, and consequently we were > basically roommates for about a year. She used to > come hang out with me, and would sleep on my couch > in my apartment, after I graduated from > MeadowHaven. Once we went to a water park > toge
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The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you, sir, for your insights. > > Malcom, could you please say a little bit about > the time Dave made you back like a dog, in order > to demean you? > > Something like that happened to me in my old > group, too: one of the "coordinators" once made me > bark like a
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Thank you, sir, for your insights. Malcom, could you please say a little bit about the time Dave made you back like a dog, in order to demean you? Something like that happened to me in my old group, too: one of the "coordinators" once made me bark like a dog on demand, in order to prove to me that he was in control of me and that I was under his thumb. This was a CEDU-type progra
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Malcolm: What criticism of David's leadership style, group governance and/or behavior do you think has been or is valid, in David's mind? He has been criticized by the media/press. What of that criticism do you think was noteworthy to him, and how did he (or the group) change in response to such criticism? Or, do you think that (in Dave's mind) no criticism of himself or
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In the spring or early summer of 2002, almost twenty years ago, I actually met Ufuoma (in Dallas) when she was a member of the group that was then known as "the Jesus Christians." That's when I was with them for my own "trial week." Fran was rather rude to her, a bit mean even. The group was eating together, but I declined to eat anything with them. At one point Ufu
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There's something else that I noticed when studying more on the topic of David Berg, and what XFamily circles have termed "Bergisms." Has anybody ever noticed how David (McKay, that is) peppers his communiques and teachings with the "Ha!" suffix to denote derision, or "as an interjection emoting amusement or hilarity in a given subject," or as well how he
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"Much of the deep revelations that I have received from the Lord was so in the Spirit that I was not even conscious of what was happening and afterwards, I had to be told what had been said. All I know is this is the way God speak to me and has from the beginning and I am only a messenger boy who delivers his telegrams and I am not responsible for what is being said or revealed. You'll
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Here is something, that, to me, is an interesting difference between the McKay group and the Children of God/Family: David "MO" Berg was very homophobic, and did not permit homosexuals to live openly as homosexuals, as members of the Children of God. "Sodomites" (his word for what we would call "gay" men) were either expelled from the group or else forced to marr
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Bryan Apollo: I never wrote about LYDIA WEST and her help ten years and twelve years ago, because I was using an excess of caution in order to safeguard her privacy and anonymity. But, like I said, we've not seen one another or spoken in almost ten years, and she has dementia now (therefore she probably would not even remember who I am), so I decided it was time to put all my cards on the t
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Look who helped to research and compile the history of the Children of God in Australia. Well, if it's not LYDIA WEST again! Gotcha, David! From the Book of Remembrance: "Compiled by Lydia West, Keda, Kezia Newsong, Shem, and Apelles Cheshire, and the testimonies of the faithful pioneers in each of the fields" "Australia was a radical country. The man on the str
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For my part, I happen to have been in treatment with LYDIA WEST, and consequently we were basically roommates for about a year. She used to come hang out with me, and would sleep on my couch in my apartment, after I graduated from MeadowHaven. Once we went to a water park together and played on the water slides like a couple of little kids. When we were in Meadowhaven together, I got to sit an
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The woman at 1:22 in this video from 1972 (the one who is saying "...hopeth all things, endureth all things"), is also LYDIA WEST. She helped me a lot toward figuring out the history of the COG in Australia, and therefore the history of the McKay group. She was the wife of "Caleb" at the time.
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The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Caleb" and his brother "Big Josh" were the very > first members outside of the Berg family to join, > and she was the first female to join. Her name in > the group was LYDIA WEST, and she taught me more > about the group than I frankly care to know. This > woman had been
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David, you may be wondering how I was able to uncover such detailed information about the history of your group, in terms of your time with the Children of God, your meeting with Jim Roberts, and all that. Well, I'll tell you now. From September of 2008 until September of 2009 (for fifty-one weeks, to be exact) I was a resident of Meadow Haven, which is closed now and which was in Lakevi
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Members if the McKay group live under constant fear and are scared to death. Fear is what holds them in the "community." Dave instills intense fear in his members. Day to day life in this group must be difficult and exceedingly stressful because the members live in constant fear. Fear is the glue that holds them together. As soon as I walked in that room all those years ago and met
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Bryan Apollo: tonight I'm going to quaff a dram of The Famous Grouse, in your honor and to your health. Yes, I imbibe a wee bit (for the sake of my heart, you know).
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Bryan Apollo: please note the man in this video, on the bicycle, who is facing Mr. Rooney, at 13:28: His name is Thomas, and he is the one who told me about Dave McKay and Jim Roberts' meeting in 1990. In fact, Thomas was there, present when that happened. Thomas is also a personal friend of mine. Gotcha, Dave. :-)
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Bryan Apollo: Dave can be demonstrated as a fraud with respect to his account of his supposed COG days, which I shall now demonstrate to be largely fictitious, taking into consideration of course the fact that COG did not keep records. There are so many holes in Dave’s story, in the time lines, that when one takes a closer look that the only conclusion that one can logically come up with is th
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Well, Bryan Apollo, I have followed this group for twenty years now, and I intend to keep at it until Dave McKay leaves this world. Then the madness will be over. All modesty aside, I reckon that I have researched this group more thoroughly than anybody else in the Western Hemisphere. I've put countless hours into it and have done my best to undermine Dave McKay's activities.
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"It is fun spitting in the face of a world who is too busy taking themselves so seriously. If you can't laugh at yourself every once in a while, that's too bad." One of Dave's disciples, a woman named Grace, wrote that on the Jesus Christian forum about 14 years ago. She'd been recruited into the group a little more than a year before that, along with a man named
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"Kidneys for Jesus": this is a very good documentary, in which we see Dave McKay's true colors come out. Go to the thirty-five minute-mark. Dave is saying that he will let this woman Christine die, just to spite Jon Ronson. Is that what Jesus would do? What kind of wholesome "Christian" leader would do such a thing?
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Have you ever read Jon Ronson's The Psychopath Test, Bryan Apollo? David is right there; the first chapter of that book is basically "Kidneys for Jesus" in print. See for yourself. Please check this out; the first chapter can be read online here: "On the day I received Deborah’s email inviting me to the Costa Coffee I was in the midst of quite a bad anxiety attack. I
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Well, look who's here; if it's not Bryan Apollo! You are welcome, man, how have you been? Happy new year. I was hoping to attract some attention from the old crew (so to speak) and here you are. The McKays never stopped; they only slowed down a bit and I have been keeping up with them as best I can. As far as I know, there are none of them in the States right now but they
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The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is a very good and very informative interview > with a former member of the McKay group. It's > about six years old, and is one of the few > interviews with a former member that you'll ever > find. Most ex-members of the McKay group will not > talk with anybody (interview or de
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This is a very good and very informative interview with a former member of the McKay group. It's about six years old, and is one of the few interviews with a former member that you'll ever find. Most ex-members of the McKay group will not talk with anybody (interview or debriefing-wise) post-exit. They're too scared, ashamed, embarrassed, and what have you. The accounts of Malc
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PS: let me just say that when I was a kid I was not in Narconon, but I was in a group which was related to and worked with Narconon, and which I strongly suspect (but cannot be sure) had been infiltrated by the CO$. I remember a "counselor" once recommending to me that I read Dianetics, and I remember how we'd do things which strongly resemble the Training Routines (TRs). We'
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Well, RUN_FOREST_RUN and rrmoderator, for what its worth (and if it means anything to you) I apologize to you both. I never meant to preach anything to anybody, as I was never trying to persuade anybody of anything (in terms of trying to persuade others to take on my own religious beliefs). In my own defense, I never tried to "sell" anybody on anything. Also I did not mean to be arg
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