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4 years ago
zizlz
Thanks Sig, that's very interesting! I found this interview where she elaborates a bit on this topic: QuoteThe major temptation to be overcome in this period is the temptation to fall for one of the subtle but powerful archetypes of the collective consciousness. As I see it, in the transforming process we only come to terms with the archetypes of the personal unconscious; the archetyp
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4 years ago
zizlz
What helps me develop spiritually (i.e. become less deluded) lately is a more rational approach. This paper gives a very interesting and rational analysis of what awakening is: QuoteA model is presented of awakening experiences that postulates 3 layers of processing, sensory, perceptual, and cognitive, that separate external energy from awareness. The model hypothesizes that awakening experie
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4 years ago
zizlz
Just watched the video again, it's really comedy gold. It's like an "SNL digital short" parodying a cult. Mooji does a good movie-trailer-guy voice, and that makes sense because he's been doing that voice for years now. See this Pablo Francisco bit:
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4 years ago
zizlz
What a hilarious cringefest that video is, priceless!! (Well, actually €20, so not priceless). Godspeed to anyone whom the video compelled to go to MS.
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4 years ago
zizlz
Someone posted this on the cults subreddit : Quote Follower of guru returns from retreat and decides it's a cult This guy has posted a few videos defending Mooji from recent criticism such as the Be Scofield article. He attended a retreat with Mooji and has now had a change of heart. Some interesting insights interspersed with some woo, and a suggestion of which group member to scap
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4 years ago
zizlz
Sahara71 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Or you may be someone who will never be 'ready' > for this important truth. Although that option > isn't too popular with seekers! Mooji does not > clarify his position, ever. He only gets vaguer > and more convoluted in his explanations. Very true! In real Advaita Vedanta and also in
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4 years ago
zizlz
Sahara71 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But it is not enough. Why is it not enough? > He doesn't say! Is it not enough because it wont > lead you to enlightenment? Or is it not enough > because people just expect there to be more? Is > Mooji only ever giving people what they want to > hear or do his teachings not even lead someone to
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4 years ago
zizlz
QuoteWombat Are we seriously discussing whether someone is pregnant or not based on a single photo on Facebook? And whether the guy next to her likes her or not based on how he is holding her in that moment? And then reading devious things into totally normal, run-of-the mill comments? And then jumping to conclusions like the guy is planning to run away and retire with her somewhere with a load o
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4 years ago
zizlz
Hi Heather, >For years I had a spiritual practice that I thought was my own. Only recently I have come to question IT ALL. My experience is similar. Reality reveals itself whenever you lift the veil of attachment/identification. At an early stage of spiritual development, a teacher may be helpful to point your attention in the right direction. But when you're beyond that stage, teac
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4 years ago
zizlz
Since no one has jumped in yet to assist Maria with her complaint to the charity commission, I'll briefly note a few things. Unfortunately I don't have time to do more legwork. I'll quote what seems relevant to me from the complaint page of the Charity Commission: QuoteBefore you start Before submitting a complaint you must: complain directly to the charity first
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4 years ago
zizlz
From a PM I understood that people could use some help with filing a complaint. I'm not very involved with nor very informed about the topics of Mooji and charities, nor do I have time to delve into this. Maybe others here can advice on how to file a complaint about Mooji's charity. Looking at it seems to me that unless the complaint is about the charity's fundraising or adv
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4 years ago
zizlz
Hi Maria, I think you'll find the right contact details here:
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4 years ago
zizlz
Thanks for your interesting post, Heather! Looking forward to your next one. QuoteSwartz talks about how he established his first ashram in San Francisco Seacliff neighborhood. Jessica told me this was probably the cult he established before we got involved with him. Apparently that scene ended badly, people became angry with Swartz (we didn’t know why). I can shed some light on this with so
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4 years ago
zizlz
ReneLL1985 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > i think this chapter explains it best. > > Thanks. I don't have time to read the whole thing unfortunately but I did a quick ctrl+F search on the page for words containing "hologr" or "sense" or "sensation" but there were no results. A search for "Project" did
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4 years ago
zizlz
QuoteHe is referring to those that are targetted by the alien intervention, which can read and influence minds, and project images and sensation using advanced means. That's interesting, could you expand on that? Do you think that some people are not actually people but holographic projections? If not, then what do the projections look like? What does "projecting sensation" me
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4 years ago
zizlz
I don't know about you Rene, but I'm pretty sure Summers is an alien. "infusing themselves into the hierarchies of religion" — check. "presenting themselves as the saviors of humanity" — check.
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4 years ago
zizlz
From the video: Quotethe Allies’ intention is to warn us that there are different races of beings here, but they're all part of an Intervention. And there are competing groups here in the world and they're multiracial. So we may see them in different forms and they can certainly project forms. I don't mean that mysteriously, I mean that technologically. I mean they can projec
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4 years ago
zizlz
Okay never mind Rene. I found the answers to my questions when I rewatched the Alien Agenda video. Later I'll probably write a summary of the alien beliefs of The New Message in case anyone's interested. It's pretty scary because Summers claims that aliens have infiltrated humanity. Anybody could be an alien in disguise, you can't recognize them as aliens "unless you&#
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4 years ago
zizlz
Can you please answer my question, Rene? What exactly do the dangerous aliens want from us? Your prophet is warning of great alien danger but I still can't figure out what that danger is. And he offers a solution to this problem too if i understand correctly, and I still can't figure out what that is either, but since you asked me to ask you only one question at a time, please answer
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4 years ago
zizlz
Quoteyou are asking 'why would another race want what we have?' Don't you have this answer in observation of the natural world, including our own history? thats natural competition. Natural competition is competition for access to limited resources. What resources are the aliens and us competing for? What exactly do they want from us? QuoteYou make a lot of assumption about &
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4 years ago
zizlz
To clarify a point in my last post: I asked what the cause of the evil aliens is, what do they want with us. You may answer along the lines of what you quoted from the website earlier: They want to pacify us, they want to to support an interbreeding program designed to create a hybrid race and a new leadership who would be bonded to the “visitors.” But then I'd once again ask: wh
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4 years ago
zizlz
ReneLL1985 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > they are here for biological ressources, not the > ressources we normally think of precious, such as > gold or minerals. > We can observe many barren world, not worlds like > ours, filled with life and biological diversity. > > about them communicating throught 'spiritual > teachers&
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4 years ago
zizlz
Yes it looks like DirtyBirdy started his own subreddit /r/Alien_Abductions/ after he was banned from /r/AlienAbductions/ (without the underscore). But the subreddit he started is just him talking to himself :). I don't think I'll look into any of this further, I'm kind of done with the subject and have a lot of other things to do. Thank you for your informative posts and for remain
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4 years ago
zizlz
QuoteEdit* : the person who made that post is banned from reddit again.. I don't know what makes you say that. The person was banned from the subreddits that are "new message" fronts, not from reddit. Here's their profile page, alive and well:
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4 years ago
zizlz
ReneLL1985 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I dont see any questions. That's right, I was just sharing what I found for those who are interested, my post wasn't directed at you. Thanks for pointing to the summary. It's pretty lengthy still, I'll read it when I find the time. An example of what strikes me as ridiculous about the alien
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4 years ago
zizlz
The SkepDic article is an interesting read. At the end they embedded a video of Summers' wife talking about "Walking with the messenger". She seems very (very very!) into the message. Just like her husband, she uses a lot of words to say what essentially amounts to nothing more than vague belief and total devotion, nothing that could be summarized in a way that makes sense.
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4 years ago
zizlz
According to this Reddit post Summers or his followers also use Reddit for dishonest proselytizing. Quoter/AlienAgenda AND r/AlienAbduction are both Propaganda fronts for the mendacious NEW AGE, UFO CULT called: ALLIES OF HUMANITY, from Boulder, CO. These subreddits serve as a recruitment tool and a disinformation campaign for the followers of MARSHALL SUMMERS, whom they believe is the “NEW ME
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4 years ago
zizlz
Thank you Heather! I can see how a second-hand retelling of your story can introduce inconsistencies that weren't in your original account. I agree with Traveler that you've helped a lot of people by telling your story. You've not only opened my eyes to the kind of person JS really is, but you've also opened my eyes to the danger of spirituality, the extent to which it get
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4 years ago
zizlz
Hi Traveler99, I don't want to disparage Heather's story but it would be great if you or Heather herself could respond to my remarks about the contradictions in Heather's story. I wrote about that in this message from three months ago:
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4 years ago
zizlz
QuoteReneLL1985 Also, the author of Gururating was (he is dead...) a student of Marshall. he also did this on his own initiative. The website was kept up in memory of him, mostly. [...] All students are encoruaged to advocate it in their ways Thanks for clearing that up, Rene. It doesn't look good for the "New Message" that followers are encouraged to proselytize and appa
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