I would like to note something important to consider from what typical is writting. I know there are more exstudents, teachers and perhaps even ex members reading this forum. It is pretty clear that accounts from those with more experience and knowledge of The Gnostic Movement would be extremely helpful. Remember the confidentiality of this site.
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Actually TypicalSeeker I have no interest in gaining sympathy or complainning about my experience. If I share anything of a personal nature from my experience it is in a effort to help others. It is interesting that you need to refer to my amount of time as 5 short months. You do not know how invovled I was. In fact my involvement was very heavy for the number of courses I had taken. I was al
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Thanks tsukimoto, I'll look into that.
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Here is a source TypicalSeeker may have missed. . Enjoy.
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Again TypicalSeeker "If you were looking for a "normal" life... WHY!? did you pursue Gnosticism? (for years....?)" If you were not using the term Gnosticism to refer to the Samael Aun Weor writing, in this case the Gnostic Movement, What were you referring to. I think it is pretty obvious that you are referring to Dragons time with the organization. "I am only
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That is really screw up. I'm referring to what Anticult is saying. How do these people pass themselves off as Buddhist? What is the deal with "pastmember". There seems to be a lot of mindfucking and Dogma in this discussion from either active members of this movement or past members.
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If TypicalSeeker is not just a cult apologist than they are someone going from one cult to another, based on their story. So the real question is what can we do to help you (without being attack) and what do you need to do for yourself? From experience I can say that if you have fallen for a cult twice than you have a personal problem with fanaticism and fundamentalism that you (and only you) hav
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Typical it would be very helpful if you actually disclosed what group you were involved in so that those who often write on this site could help you by providing references that would be more specific to your particular situation.
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"re; Cult Formation It would be nice if someone could show how these Samael groups are doing the following; 1. a charismatic leader who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose their power; 2. a process I call coercive persuasion or thought reform; 3. economic, sexual, and other exploitation of group mem
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"Did Samael truly plagiarize?" Yes as far as the question is concerned for the definition of a cultic group and also..." In other words, it is a baseless accusation. Please show examples or be revealed as a clueless gossip monger." Sounds like an opinionated attack from an apologist to me. The reference to plagiarism is to someone who never had an original and copied othe
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Do you have not comprehension of an opinion statement? Or no ability to read everything that someone has written in order to gain an understanding? I would be far more interesting in talking to you but it appears you are here to criticize not to learn.
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"If you were looking for a "normal" life... WHY!? did you pursue Gnosticism? (for years....?)" I think this statement, along with everything else that TypicalSeeker has written, indicateds that they are likely an apologist. Whoever calls the writtings of Samael Aun Weor Gnosticism, particularly in this manner is an obvious supporter. I'm pursueing Gnosticism, but
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For Typicalseeker, "Correct me if I'm wrong Typical, but it appears that you have no actual experience with any Samael Aun Weor group." Ok, you are wrong. I have lots of experience with them. " What experience with any of these organizations do you have? So far it appears that all you have is experience with the writings of Victor Gomez. I'm judging you here based
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From more on my personal experience and the group I was involved in read this
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Typical Seeker. "How could something so patently false be 'obvious'? I read this entire thread and much of this site as well as others. I spent most of my adult life in a cult and I simply left when I got tired of it. And what exactly about my statement is 'problematic?" So far I see no sign you having read the entire thread or much what this site has to over,
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Thanks Dragoeye. It is very much understandable you would not want to reveal yourself at all. However if you are able to confirm any of the matters that have already been discussed here, that would be great. Having had a glimpse of the organization I'm glad to see you are out.
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Hi Keir nice to see you again. I may have been mistaken about the "Gnostic Movement" removing their content from public view. It appears that they have moved everything to their new site. This is equally manipulative. Why do they need to change websites constantly?
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Thanks I hope Typicalseeker will have a good look at the Cult formation link.
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I was traveling around downtown and realized something quite interesting about the this organizations postering efforts. This is primarily a waste of time as their posters are mostly covered by other peoples posters within hours of them being put up. So why do they keep doing it? Well if they didn't the teachers would actually have time to think about what they are involved in or spent enou
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This is a very problematic statement to be making on this group. "These groups are obviously a religion of sorts. So you think it looks interesting. You go to a few meetings, you grow disillusioned and then you leave... end of story. What's the big deal? " Typical you have obviously not looked into the concerns of the influence and problems of being involved in a cult or cu
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Ok now I will deal with TypicalSeeker, Sorry I have been busy with the holidays. Correct me if I'm wrong Typical, but it appears that you have no actual experience with any Samael Aun Weor group. "Did Samael truly plagiarize?" Yes as far as the question is concerned for the definition of a cultic group and also quite likely under the conditions of legal copyright, if he wasn&
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here-now My opinion from reading what you wrote here is that you never really got over the nonsense of the Samael Aun Weor teachings, at least to a certain extent. Also I wish to repost my response to your statement about investigating for yourself from the "Gnostic Movement" discussion. "This all sounds quite nice, however students are being biased in their interpret
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Sorry it has taken me a while to respond, busy time of year. "I have read most of the other two gnostic topics too." There are no discussions here about Gnosticism just about the problem of the garbage that was pushed by Victor Gomez who claimed to be Samael Aun Weor and the other criminals who followed in his footsteps. "(and that whats Rabolu said); a person who is inter
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here-now I'm wondering if you have looked at the other two discussions about the Samael Aun Weor Movement (not actually gnostic) that are on this site? I spent a few months with what is currently called the Gnostic Movement which is led by Mark Pritchard. and in general check this out It will be interesting to hear your responses. Since you were in the "New Order" when Mark P
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In regards to Freud he could be regarded to being a one on one cult like the situation of abuse in the way the he dealt with his students. Carl Jung was not the only one to messed up from his experience with Sigmund, others even went to the extent of suicide.
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Carl Jung is a rather different situation. Do you know that he started having mystical experiences before the age of 5? Freud was more of a break down which lead to him knowing he had to fully explore the Collective unconscious and face his understanding the world was not just materialistic, that spirituality was valid and that the mind was not all about sex.
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Thanks Corboy, I think there are also many non associated Kabbalahists. It would appear that this is another example of a very powerful psychological program, that needs a lot of self control and if introduced to those who don't have if there is a great potential for manipulation. I'm kinda suspicious of the usual teaching in Judaism that only after experienced study should one
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An interest of mine is to seperate Kabbalah as a spiritual tradition from the Kabbalah centre. It is tricky because the Kabbalah centre obviously uses elements of real Kabbalah. I'm not all that familiar with either but i have some interest in the true Kabbalah tradition as an outsider and as someone with respect for others spirituality, but I also see real nonsense coming from the Kabbalah
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I've recently come to the realization that the primary nature of this group is occult in practice. Although there may be other influences they are pretty well just dabbled in and manipulated with. Those other sources are never properly explored, philosophically, culturally or spiritually. They are simply accepted the way the leader presents them. If you disagree with that interpretation,
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Quite interesting Sandman What a bizarre place, it looks like it has a bit of everything.
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