Can anyone bring me up to date on what this secret quest is and also what the deal with the new book?
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"They have nothing to do with salary. In fact, in any cult the leader often claims no salary at all, but of course he has almost sole access to a huge expense account." This is a very odd statement. Either we should read it as DSM stating that we should have a different standard for those who are seen as cult leaders or that there is only one way that financial exploitation can take
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Considering that a lack of financial accountability or accountability of leadership is an essential qualification of a cult the matter we are discussing is quite relavent. In this case we are talking about a so called leader how has absolutely no accountability for what he is paid for. There are also other forms of financial mismanagement that I'm not in a position to discuss here. DSM s
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I think I answered DSMs question before I knew it was asked but please let us know if you require further explanation. Other posters may wish to offer more details. There is not inherently a problem with getting a salary but there should be accountability for it.There is also a problem of a man asking others to sacrifice for the organization while there is no sign of him doing the same. A
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That are some valluable insights to have.I can see some more points of dishonesty and hypocrisy there. Why would a man who professes that his teachings are not a religion seek out a religious teachers visa? Also as far as I'm aware the Pritchards do not have American residency. So why hold a Visa there? I find this collection of a Salary to be quite interesting, since it must the larg
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Thanks AllaboutGnosis, That is an excellent example of financial mismanagement. I would like to add a few points to what you have said. When a not for profit organization (charitable status or not) cancels a project or even puts it on hold the standard practice is to ask the donor what should be done with that money. Since the money was meant to be allocated to a specific cause this is the
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Just to add to what savedatlast wrote if anyone has any helpful links where people have criticized The Gnostic Movement that would be appreciated. Also if you want to repost anything from any of the Gnostic Movement forums please do so as well, however I recommend you copy what you have on to this forum so you can ensure people will be able to read the discussions later.
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Hi  R2010 I'm glad you are breaking free from the Sufi cult you were in. However there is a bit of confusion here, which is mostly the result of the absolutist nature of these esoteric cults. The easiest way to express the mix up is to say that the Samael Aun Weor teachings have no major connection to sufism. One thing to keep in mind is that no one owns the world Gnosis or Gnosti
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Glad to hear from you Master Chief. I look forward to hearing what you have to say. Please feel free to share whatever you like.
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Thanks sadinoel, I just wanted to add that we should really question how blind we were in the first place. The Gnostic movement and the Samael Aun Weor teachings go to great length to express the idea that people in general don't know what going on with reality, yet the "Gnostics" have all the answers. For me this is a real contradiction since everyone who contributed to thi
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People who are following this discussion would likely also be interested in this forum on Samael Aun Weor And here is a spanish website to discuss the same. www.lagnosisdevelda.com
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All the best msanchez. I'm out of my league here but I have support your efforts.
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Thanks sayallnow. I look forward to hearing more from you. That is quite a helpful account.
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In Jordans action, which we see above, I would say that there is a major breach of trust demonstrated. This breach of trust is what is normal in any student-teacher relationship. Personal information that is said in private is supposed to be kept confidential. Jordan violated ha confidence. If such an action is not illegal than it is unethical.
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Ok just an update for everyone. I have sent Jordan an invite to defend himself and explain the inconsistencies in the movement which we have all noticed. Those contributes who have far more experience than me know of even more than me but we all know they are there, including Jordan and others. Note: we are referring to Jordan by his actually name as that was how he decided to post for whateve
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Both contributions above are unedited from the time they were posted, other than the intro comment I added. From advise from a friend I will avoid any personal matters related to this incident and deal with the larger issues. Dear Jordan I will you have few questions you are yet to answer. 1. What was your justification for this action? 2. Why did you not do what you promised and cont
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All of that is unedited as is the same with my response from over a year ago. Spreading Lies? Only someone who believes that someone is either with them or against them (a fanatic) would accuse someone of telling ties , because they have a difference of opinion with him. I should mention to all those who are interested that this is the first time, that I am aware of this book being availab
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It seems that it is appropriate now to bring up the personal attack on my person from one member of the Gnostic Movement that was carried out in the general Samael Aun Weor discussion board. . I just realized that it seems I have not fully brought this up before. Here it is and I will write some more on it shortly. Hi Jeff (notanantiGnostic), In my opinion, it is not right to spread lie
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Thanks for coming on board allbout. I look forward to hearing more of what you have to say. If you need inforomation or just wish to chat feel free to PM me through this site. I'm also glad to see ThePea is back in the discussion.
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Here is another forum that i don't think we have looked at before that may be of interest.
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Hi Thepea I hope all is well, I would say that there is a continual minor sexual exploitation all along through the program, most significant in the way that it really sets up female members as potential sex partners for male members. This makes it very hard for people to break the mold of being in the organization as both have to agree to leave. We do have one example of that were both partne
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I agree. Actually I would love to have the "master" come on over and explain some of the contradictions that been pointed out. I have a female friend who received some of that special attention from the "master" that you mentioned. She also received a very poor response to here complaints about being mistreated male teachers she encountered.
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I was just sharing a bit of what I had to go through to deprogram after I realized the whole thing was nonsense and how what was a major part of the manipulation worked for me. "Thus all students of The Gnostic Movement should take the information from Belzebuub and use it and work with it in their own time, and never get involved with the Gnostic Movement that much." The one di
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Thanks Savedatlast It is great to have your perspective added to the case that is presented against Edith and Mark Pritchard and the Gnostic Movement. Related to what you are saying it is interesting that Mark agrees with the idea that we see a bright light when we die and are put back in touch with our lost love ones. However after that he claims that there is something that occurs that i
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Thank you for your perspective Saveatlast, it seems quite in depth. I have wondered for quite a while if Edith was really the brains behind the operation and if she in fact has trained and controlled Pritchard from the beginning to be in a position to take over when new leadership was needed. Truthfully I did not have much time within the organization but I have learned a lot since being out
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As you were pointing on their specific compaign here. "Now we need to raise $4500 to help Gnosis spread further and wider throughout the world, and we need your help! Join our latest appeal to help deliver this special message to humanity in a far-reaching way, so that many more people can discover the Gnostic teachings and change their lives for the better." Isn't it signif
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Hi Dragoneye, Thank you for clarifying for me the point about them asking for donations to Mark Pritchard specifically (alias Belzebuub). I see that now where they describe how one of the methods of donation will not include a tax receipt. As you were saying on this page It says " DONATE PERSONALLY TO BELZEBUUB Note: these are not donations to the Belzebuub foundation and are not ta
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Thanks Dragoneye I just took at look it is seems that they have just added a button to make it easier to donate. Interesting thou that there appears to be a new book, which looks quite thick. One of the pictures came up from retreats while I was there. It was one where a group of people are sitting quite a distance away and he is sitting by himself. This is not as extreme as Ken Wilber sit
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"In other cases, there have been reports that a leader did not act out sexually himself, remained married, but would order followers into relationships or to be celibate at whim, as though using them as surrogates act out urges he dared not do on his own. " It may be more than just said leaders desires, it may be a matter of utility. These practices help the group to be controlled an
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I can agree with this "As to the levels of abuse -- my opinion is that most sexual relationships that involve a power imbalance are inherently abusive. " If it is a secret relationship. 'that some Tib Budh lamas ostensibly celibate were having sex with their students." It sounds more like a few Lamas may be having sex with some of their students, not the majority, nor
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