I would like to see David McKay respond to this missive he gave to an amputee about living on the pension: "But I think that until you have the faith to hit your pension on the head, you are only going to be preaching something that others do not see you practising yourself. " Is this to hard to reply to David? You are so ready to reply to challenges, I can't think why th
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Something still is bothering me. How is it that the JC's (and especially David) seem to be able to fly to Kenya, United States etc in a way that all of us surely must find incredible? A poster back in June, after the Australian Story program, put this question out there, and to my knowledge, nobody has as yet answered it (Dave, are you listening?). Here is the question: "One o
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QuoteDogmotherBlackhat, thank you so much. That's indeed a brilliant "discovery" you shared with us. I'm most impressed. Well thanks for the kudos, Dogmother, and much as I'd like to claim brilliance, you really need to thank a good idea and google coming together. All I did was wonder about the image, typed the two words burn and money into google images, and "p
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Dave: "We were looking for something which illustrated our outlook on life, and it was a web site for the Jesus Christians that someone who wasn't me was doing, and well, we all thought that image summed it up....and she knew how to do it...... I had nothing to do with the choice of icon............." Conversation soon to be had!
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NEW COMPETITION! Design a new logo for the JC's web site and post it here. NO PRIZE!
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Anyone care to capture some pages off the Jesus Christians web site, without live internet links, in a format that shows that the web pages have been up there for ages, and send them to Bob? I've saved some, but I'm not that savvy to know what format to save them in. Might be a good idea in case the JC's decide they'd rather not get their pants sued off, and suddenly pull the
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I've been wondering about that image on the top of most JC web site pages, the one of money burning. It looks like a high quality commercial photograph. That's because it is. It's a copywrite image created by Bob Bauer, for of all things, a Credit Union brochure!!! You can see it here, where he says: "Brochure Cover for Credit Union. Headline: "Have You G
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"But I think that until you have the faith to hit your pension on the head, you are only going to be preaching something that others do not see you practising yourself. " - David McKay Jesus is calling you, David. Jesus is calling you to do what you say in his name. Take up thy bed and go unto Kenya! Forsake your pension and follow him!
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Kenya is Calling Since Dave and Cherry and the Jesus Christians are about to be thrown out of the Quakers and their money conduit, (according to the Jesus Christians website): and seeing as they own the land in Kenya, and can probably claim ownership of all the infrastructure that the Quakers (and international volunteers from the Thorn Bird/Daily Planet Volunteers) have paid for improv
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Is it 24 hours yet since we had David McKay's unconditional apology to Annette and some were raising glasses? I'm not sure, but I know what I'm reading now on the JC forum - (face-saving statement follows): "Usually with criticisms there is some truth and some untruth (or exaggeration) or at least some grey areas where both parties see things differently. In the debate a
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Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Quite a subject. I think David McKay has one. He spends all his time meticulously going over everything everyone writes in opposition to his viewpoint, and takes it apart to analyse in his academically faulty and spurious way in an effort to maintain his ego manifestation. The time taken to do this indicates that it is out of proportion to the time he spends o
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So instead of an apology, David has gone on to another rant. See it here for yourselves: He says things like: For example, if someone says that a person has lied, that is not the same as calling a person a liar. The term liar implies consistent and repeated lies, more or less as part of a person's nature. I did not call Annette a liar, as you have stated here (twice). Are you going
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I have just watched the uploaded episodes of the show, and am awestruck by David's continuing theme that everyone else is lying. He keeps bringing it up over and over again. He is obsessed with lying, and accused Liesal regarding the previous show: "Liesal said quite a number of things and I...I can't find one thing in what she said that was honest, that was the truth."
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Or was there another motive for David seeking out and trying to cultivate someone who had an accident pay-out? Some more quotes from the email exchange: Opening line, David writes; "I visited your site yesterday, and I was quite impressed. It seems that what you are discussing in theory is pretty close to what we are actually doing. What doth hinder you from working WITH us? ..
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QuoteBlackhatBut I think that until you have the faith to hit your pension on the head, you are only going to be preaching something that others do not see you practising yourself. " Just by way of information, this is addressed to a lovely guy in Queensland who lost a leg in an accident, and is a very sincere seeker of the right Christian path. David, a fully able-bodied man, living on a
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He's preaching the same thing here: 'Smash your pride. Pluck out your emotionalism. Cut off your visible means of support. So that you can begin (right now!) to live by faith in the eternal kingdom of heaven." So much preaching. So much Government Pension. When are you going to address this obvious reason for people to doubt you are really sincere, David?
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The distribution of books in this way could be called a "Cottage Industry". Here is a fascinating email interview with Dave McKay regarding the earning of money, cottage industries, and getting a pension. Some interesting things David says here: "The reference to "earning more than a pension" seems to set an arbitrary cut-off point between the wicked and the
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QuotezeuszorFor me, the most telling, and spookiest, part of the JK shows was the bit in part one where Liesel told Cherry about she felt sorry for her; she told DM, "I feel sorry for your wife." Listen carefully and you'll her Cherry saying, "No, please don't. Don't." That was sad and revealing. What is wrong with these women? /b] What is "wrong with
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Dave responds to a critique of my postings. Can someone please explain? What would Jesus have done? Is this the Christ you represent and try to live by? Here is the bizarre posting, and it seems to contain a lot of aggression: "Sorry to ruin your mind-reading act, Malcolm, but Paul was interviewed by a student reporter, and she forgot to get Roland's last name, and so at the l
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There is a fundamental difference between this forum and a cult forum. In a cult forum, everyone eventually has to agree with the leader, or leaves, or is barred. This forum is not a cult forum. People can strongly disagree about things, and not resove them, but that has no bearing on whether or not they can continue to post. As long as they are not on the forum as an apologist for a cult, and
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David's brother: OK. I replied to you personally, but now I see your postings have been published. So I will reply to you publicly as I have to you personally. I have nothing to do with any contact with your mother by another member of this forum. I uphold the rules of this forum. I don't believe anything good can come of bringing in personal things which are not already in t
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Here is one of the saddest threads I have seen on the JC's forum. David is really candid about his lack of what Paul in 1 Corinthians 13 calls "charity" or "love" (agape), what Buddah calls "compassion". He grapples with the concept and wonders why he doesn't feel it. The only time he gets a feeling is when it's grandiose and feeds his ego (Lavish C
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I can't think of anything that would stop me from visiting my mother in David's position. I can't believe he can find excuses! Unless of course, he had a particular complex regarding 'mothers.'
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Quotezeuszor. Hey, you UK viewers: did they show the part on the JK Show where David was raising his hard and asking, "Who masturbates? Who masturbates?" I saw it with my own eyes. Did that make it on the show? [/quote} I'd like to see that!
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Find whatever excuse you can for not visiting your mother, David, she needs you.
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From CBS online News - a different take on the WSJ article. (My italics) Hospital Says No Thanks To Religious Kidney Donor While Congress is grilling veterans' charities today on not being generous enough, the Wall Street Journal reports on the controversy surrounding a religious group accused of being a little too generous. Ashwyn Falkingham, 23, is a member of a 30-member religi
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QuoteMalcolm Wesley WRESTDear Hello, Could you point out (e.g. sample "cut'n'paste"s ) some of the "exciting things" that are happening at the JC forum...sorry but I seem to have missed them!....(with thanks!...) I think hello was talking not about one particular thing, but the recent people who have joined their forum. Three females in particular have joined, K
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Re my reference to Absolom and David's Lamentation. (I won't tell you the story if you don't know it, look it up and weep.) Here's something to sooth our breasts on this Sunday Afternoon/Evening, blessings.
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QuoteapostateQuoteBlackhat I neither support or condemn what Zeuszor has done, but I do believe he is some kind of agent for change in David McKay. As I keep saying, the Lord works in mysterious ways..... Do you mean like the tale of Shimei in the old testament (see 2 Samuel 16:6 - 13) I would spare David his namesake's lamentation: O my son Absalom! O Absalom, my son, my son! Would
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The Rick Ross notes on YWAM, which David said has similarities with the Jesus Christians.
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