Some writings on YWAM. Funny David should cite this group. One complaint registered is: "Questioning a leader was considered an act of rebellion against God and His chain of command"
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"I met another missionary here in Kenya this week, and he was wanting to know something about ourselves. He asked us to describe a Christian group that might be similar to us, and I mentioned Youth With a Mission (Y-WAM). He said, "Oh, did you know that a crazed ex-member just shot and killed a number of Y-WAM staff in two different cities this week?" I was so struck by the sim
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"It also says that Kyri had not contacted his mother for at least ten days since that time, and it quotes Berni as saying this is 'unusual'. Read between the lines: Kyri didn't WANT to call such a manipulative mother. " David continues to assume that any mother who would be worried about her son not contacting her is a manipulative mother. He has continued this the
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Well, well well. My my my! Passions certainly run high when family members get quoted and dragged into things, don't they David? The incensed outcry from David McKay regarding someone contacting his mother might, when he calms down and does some reflection on it, give him some insight into why other families have been passionate about his intrusion into their families and breaking them
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For new readers, Anyone contemplating joing the Jesus Christians is encouraged to go over all the pages on this forum, look at the information here: and do their own research into this cult before deciding to give all their worldly possessions to David McKay without ever getting their money back. They should also be aware of the strong possibilty of sustatining spiritual, physical
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(party political statement follows:) Of course, anyone contemplating joing the Jesus Christians is encouraged to go over all the pages on this forum, look at the information here: and do their own research into this cult before deciding to give all their worldly possessions to David McKay without ever getting their money back. They should also be aware of the strong possibilty of su
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This is a really interesting post, and brings up something about the status of women in the Jesus Christians. A really interesting point, and I think I get where the poster is coming from. Think about all the sexist stances David has promulgated. I get the idea that it would be really good for an influx of inspired women to join the Jesus Christians and maybe flush some of their patriachal (David
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QuoteBlackhatFrom Wall Street Journal interview with David McKay regarding Ash's decision: "Q: How do you reply to their allegation that their son was unable to make an independent decision on donation -- not because you were making him do it overtly, but because of enormous influence you and the group have over its members? A: We have never denied that we have enormous influence,
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From Wall Street Journal interview with David McKay regarding Ash's decision: "Q: How do you reply to their allegation that their son was unable to make an independent decision on donation -- not because you were making him do it overtly, but because of enormous influence you and the group have over its members? A: We have never denied that we have enormous influence, just as pare
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Wall Street Journal article on Ash, DM, JC's and kidney donations: And also here for writings from players:
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Jeremy Kyle Show in UK Can someone please find a teenager to tape the next episode and post excerpts on youtube so we in Australia can see it?
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.....subjecting them to public derision and removing their access to any "privledges" young, impressionable and vulnerable members of his own "correctional institution" denying them the right to privately communicate with anyone external, removing their right to hold any significant amount of cash or major goods of their own, subjecting the very physical movements they make to
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It's all about David. He's posted the following regarding the Australian Quakers: "The entire movement seems to have been sabotaged by a bitter bunch of "refugees" who want to declare war on any kind of faith that goes farther than just sitting quietly and making the odd token contribution to some political cause. There has been far more zeal shown in this battle a
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I would like a focus upon Jesus' commandment to give what you have to the poor, and then follow me, versus David MaKay's commandment to give what you have to me to distribute to the poor, (as I see fit) and then follow Jesus via me. These two ideas are not compatible. If David McKay were for real, he would ask those who wanted to follow Jesus to give away what they had to the poor be
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I would like a focus upon Jesus' command to give what you have to the poor, and then follow me, versus David MaKay's commandment to give what you have to me to disrtibute to the poor, (as I see fit) and then follow Jesus via me. These two ideas are not compatible. If David McKay were for real, he would ask those who wanted to follow Jesus to give away what they had to the poor before
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QuoteMalcolm Wesley WRESTDear Blackhat, However we need to start anticipating David here....he realizes that the Quaker fling is in its last death throws.....(hence he is just trying now to make the most out of it that he can now....then cut his losses and leave with his "dignity" intact)....where to next? We need to be circumventing him aforetime! ...the world is a much "smalle
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Hahahahaha! David has published every line of my last posting on his website, except one very telling line which he omitted: Why so desparate, David? Why suicide threats? Is the Quaker money your only lifeline? What gets left out tells the story. It's all about the Quaker money. (I'm finding conjugal rights rather difficult since I became David Lowe's wife!!!!!)
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Question to David McKay: Why do continue so vehemently champion your cause against the Quakers? What do you want? To attend meetings in silence with people who you know are so against what you preach and represent? Do you think that you can have fellowship with people who are disquietened by your activities? How can you listen to God in an such an assembly? What would it be like to conti
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David says in reference to the Quaker business, speaking to David Lowe: "David, even now Cherry and I would be happy to smoke the peace pipe with you. But if you want to push this to the ultimate, then I think you had better ask Brian to oil up his guns and come looking for us, because the way you are going about this at the moment, you are not going to be happy or feel safe until I am de
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Thanks to all those Quakers who have taken this stance. It is not easy to do this, and as someone who is not a registered Quaker, I acknowledge the hard decisions you have made. Putting your names to motions (which I have not done, not being a Quaker) is a credit to you all. I know you will have searched long and hard about this, and that there will be leanings and urgings upon you from David and
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And yes, it does mean that your Kenya junket is over. No more Quaker money. Back to selling books and finding young people to give you their inheritances, eh?
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David is really losing it. What is it to him and his followers if they are in the Quaker Yearly Meeting or not? Why is it such a big deal? They are a law unto themselves anyway! "I can appreciate that most Friends would find it hard to believe that anyone would make up such stuff if there were not some evidence for them saying it." That's right. No Friends would make stu
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The Jeremy Kyle shows relating to ourselves will be broadcast in the U.K. on December 10 and 11 (Monday and Tuesday), on ITV 1, starting at 9:25am local time. Do we have readers in UK who can record this and get it up on youtube please?
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Can somebody list something for me? How many times has there been an outcry about the methods of recruitment into the JC's, I would like to know. I mean families doing what they can to stop it, legal cases against them, incidents of reported abductions. There are many postings here now, can we have one concise list of the history of times when families and/or the law have done things
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Quoteprivate eyesThere are almost as many reasons for former members to remain silent about their involvement with The Family as there are former members. Some common motivations are fear, guilt, embarrassment, shame, or the fact that loved ones remain in the group, and the former members do not want to jeopardize any communication with those who remain or their eventual emancipation. Many former
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"Is this what you wanted Dave? Wouldn't God have known maybe about the kidney's? As he seemed to know that the world was round, and stated it in The Bible when nobody else knew. " Youtube footage of JC HQ Bunker:
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Quotefree of DMDis sorta ting That is a fantastic short film. Pincus is fantastic and gets the best lines. Hope all the folks over at JC forum enjoy recognising all the characters. Thanks so much for bringing it to the forum.
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Zeuszor: "To David: why should you be impressed that I admitted to making an error, and why should I be embarrassed over having made it? It's simple intellectual honesty..... At least I didn't edit the post to pieces so as to avoid looking stupid (not that I felt stupid in the first place), like you do with your more bizarre writings. Say, that reminds me: where did "D
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I would be interested to know the history of the word nephros, however, because I think in Bible times there was very little understanding about the organs of the body. So maybe nephros had some other meaning which we then applied to the kidneys. nephro- (nef¡är¨­, r&#601;) kidney nephrotomy, epinephrine Etymology: < Gr nephros, kidney < IE base *negwhros, kidney, te
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"I was thinking today about the overall attitude about the flame thread... like it's where people come to behave in an unchristian way, whereas the rest of the forum is where we all behave like Christians. And then I started catchin up on some of the other threads, and I thought that, on the whole, the kind of issues being discussed here do seem to deal more with the nitty gritty of Chr
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