Dear Apollo, I have had my suspicions for some time, that the money Trevor forsook to McKay would have seriously contributed to the Cruise...(however PM on this...I will outline why).... Reinehardts compensation, as I may recall (forgive me if I am NOT as efficient as Zeuszor in naming my sources so promptly...again feel free to PM me, here) was granted, I understand, on the condition that
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Oh, I see pardon me...in the LINKED articles (which I generally ignore).......oh in that case yes....there could be a suggestion of McKay quashing an uprising..... Alf may have the "nounce" to be able to think independently (I am only judging from what I've seen of clips of him in video's).....to stage an "uprising" you'd have to have enough "authority
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All this talk lately against gossiping may mean their has been some dissention in the ranks I absolutely agree with your analysis there Zeuszor...raising doubts about how the cult was progressing would be a heinous abuse of free speech in McKays' twisted mind.........however by "this talk" dates from the newsletter you mean the "talk" at the time of the last newslett
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(...and a lovely melody, there Stoic....thank you!) Can someone remind me again, why we know that the "Kronmiller" twins left...... .....the other "odd event" last year was the sudden dramatic "loss of broadcast" of the JC site for some weeks on end.....commencing towards the end of the first week in November (Friday the 5th or earlier....)....then after weeks
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The two of you are a RIOT!....it's difficult to stop laughing long enough to type a comment of any nature.... "Wanker Extraordinaire David McKay".....What an utter classic!.... David of course, would see himself as a fundamental guide to the troubled youth he tends, for advice about the "big decisions" in life....
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(My God! You've on the ball, Zeuszor....God bless you!!) Oh well that would make Ross the eldest member then of the "graduates" (although there seems to be nothing operating in Aust....? Only Takitafu Gardens, the US....and possibly some UK leftovers) Well at 50 years of age, Ross would seem to me to be some 16 years younger than McKay...! Calculating the average age of those
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Wanking Dave McKay can't hold his own in a discussion with an adult can he? No, he can't! That's why there were always huge age differences(at least 15 years, at a minimum I'd say....Reinehardt would be the only "exception" here Zeuszor...could you remind me of his age) between McKay and those he persuaded to fall into cahoots with him...anyone of his own generati
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Love that little number Zeuszor....thanks! (And thank you for you detailed "psych" analysis of McKay...obviously quite a "case" in this particular individual.... ...so pickle him now for "posterity"s sake, I say!)
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Yes..being an "arsehole" is an deliberate antic to draw attention away from the fact that "L" had seriously found him out.....he lacked a "clever reply" for the meoment and hence just reverted to type in desperation, in order to derail the conversation....simple God forsaken theatrics....Mr Kyle should have kept on at him about "L"'s comments....(there
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He is basically a sadist, glorifying in his control of those more vulnerable. Yep!.....that's him!!
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You would have more familiarity with the "styles" than I, as I admit to not having followed the JC forum as rigorously as one might... Steve Hassan observed that cults have no interest in recruiting "weaklings" or those who need to be "nursed" in any fashion....(healthy worker drones are required to serve the queen bee!) hence, Denise was never recruited as she would
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NOT having guns is IMO the best proof that one really IS peace-loving. This quote has previously been remarked upon by Stoic, however I will add my "two cents" worth....and remark that this is just so much hypocrisy, coming from the mouth of the man who confronted his son Kevin, with thug Roland in tow(yes the same Roland who "bleats" on about "democracy" and
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Thank you for the many quotable "quotes" there Stoic....perhaps a little sadly, Willard: "Someday this war's gonna end". That'd be just fine with the boys on the boat. They weren't looking for anything more than a way home. Trouble is, I'd been back there, and I knew that it just didn't exist anymore. That's in many ways how I view Austral
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Yes I'd agree with you Stoic that as far as McKay is concerned "Takitafu Gardens" is simply a "front"....I seem to recall "Bangalore" being dumped once McKay had wrung as much local media coverage out if as he could....and of course in my day, the "Free Community Work" was also quietly dumped at McKay's suggestion...once the cameras disappeared...
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Cherry absolutely loathed "dirty" India and "dirty" Indians....hence I doubt they ever be back there long term....but yes they would certainly continue to print (cheaply) in India and then supply the "newsboys" in Western nations to hock for as much as they could collect in "donies"....it is unlikely IMO that Takitafu "pays" for itself...(makes Mc
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I wonder if the old twit has any conceptual perception of his own, of his drift into criminal insanity.... Here is my one and only quote in relation to the mass murderer in Norway, on page 747: (David has tried to use his son's own success and individual hard work as "evidence" of what a wonderful father he was....this being the very son that he previously threw out onto
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Just thought I would drop a clue to Anita in her attempts to understand where Stoic is coming from: The answer may lie somewhere between Q and S... times two. I think that when she finds it, a LOT of other things will start falling into place. Just thought that David should drop his pants to clue Anita in, as she attempts to understand where he is coming from: The arsehole may lie somewher
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They definitely want to stay out of the public eye to avoid criticism, McKay for reasons of his own that do not necessarily involve the graduates. Thank you Stoic, for your many perceptive comments. I also agree with Apollo, that McKay is endeavouring to "shore up" his collapsing empire, by isolating those who he can still command, from any external sources of information, as far
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My understanding of the benefits available for Australian pensioners (unless if has changed of late) is that they are able to spend up to six months overseas (rather than the 90 days you suggest Zeuszor)......time enough which would easily enable them to visit the "troops" stationed abroad.....however, there appears to be "complete" physical disassociation, at least, with thos
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David McKay makes "apologies" that cost him nothing....and yet he expects the world to be impressed with his new-found "humility"? When I look for(among many other things); ...an apology to Sheila Johnson (evidenced by Joe being informed that he needs to resume private, non-confrontational communication with his family) ..an apology to Kevin and those in Australia, il
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I agree with you Stoic, that David's offer of a "debate" must be an attempt to draw in more audience....... still I suspect that McKay worries about Joe' loyalty...the inclusion of Sheila, would merely be for the benefit of running through the fabrications McKay invented against her, in order to help keep Joe "convinced" that lying about his mother and father and the
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As you have remarked yourself, Apollo, Kevin is publicly on record speaking out against his father, at obvious personal cost to himself....I would imagine that the COG background is not part of his personal history that he'd care to have his children learn of.....something that I understand and have some sympathy with.... (My "beef" would only be where Kevin complained that I lacke
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You only need to look at their demonstrations on Youtube to see what type of people the EDL appeal to. We're talking about the absolute dregs of society, the chavs, the football hooligan types......oh really? Well then... they should consider extending a membership invitation to David McKay!
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Noel Harrison is probably turning (like a windmill) in his grave, at the muppets' sacrilegious rendition of his most famous number..... ....another piece, from that period that I always liked...... ..... ...and that in someways, I think, captures the manner in which the deluded little claustrophobic universe of strictly regulated and approved relationships, Joe and the other JesusCh
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QuoteApolloJoe may not have been able to attract too many new followers (thanks to the information which is now in the public domain) but i'll tell you what -- I bet his sales patter has lined the Apostle's pockets. Too right, Apollo!....follow the money trail and you'll find McKay.....although these days I think the meglomaniac is content just to have his few remaining disciples
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(David has tried to use his son's own success and individual hard work as "evidence" of what a wonderful father he was....this being the very son that he previously threw out onto the streets of India, DELIBERATELY with holding his passport, at the time, in order to inflict as much agony, as possible, on someone who refused to serve him (...oh sorry....of course, serve "God&qu
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I have to say that your "newsboy" comments on the visual archive thread, might have struck a nerve with the old goat himself, there Stoic...I remember Ross complaining about how someone had described him and other members as nothing more than "Dave's newsboys"..... Which is what the cult became of course....David the newsboy....in slavish imitation of his own subliminal &
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I can now guess what you "might" think...and I'd say that we're pretty much agreed!
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Dear Zeuszor, May I ask why would you think that either David or Cherry have left Australia, or that they have stopped "haunting" the highways and byways of one nondescript town after the other....
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A S-U-P-E-R-P find, there, Zeuszor.....absolutely, as Stoic suggests....one so easily imagine the conceited old fool (a young impertinent fool in those days) looking at his name....I mean HIS NAME in print....DAVID MCKAY, there in black and white......and falling in love with the very thought of his own noteriety...!!
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