He's ""dangerous" when he has numbers backing him facing a single female in a locked room......I would LOVE him to be similarly "dangerous" towards me one day.....( an "offer" I graciously extend to the rest of the JesusChristians present at the time Liz was assaulted....)
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When she made a move to leave the circle Dave grabbed her, lifted her off the ground, and shook her, putting his face in hers and telling her “Some things happen whether you like it or not. MY GOD.....I'd love to do that to McKay....I'd shake the God forsaken curse until his teeth fell out!
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Thank you Apollo.... What a joke, their (Rob, Fran, Chris, Casey et al) cocksure defence of David is upon them all....if you were to say at the time, in less than four years time, McKay will betray you and your entire little cult will implode around you.....how contemptuously they would have laughed at the very idea.... Very much now, it looks like, a case of he who "He who laughs last
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The corruption begins not with the acquisition of power but with the quest for and claim to absolute power. How very true! Some brilliant analysis there, Stoic....thank you for the link!!
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I would have thought that there was only ever ONE particular brother of McKay, who ever posted on this forum....
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Their suggested "Forgiveness" is nothing other than repression.... a repression of your right to challenge those who abused you... ..be healed by becoming a psychological "door-mat".....yea,...right!
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Why is that, Mal? You don't owe him, WE don't owe him any deference, in my opinion. I don't feel any obligations of "deference" towards Gary....however I do not forget that Kevin has spoken up in public against his own father on countless occasions, when he could simply have "shut up" and have "enjoyed"(of that's the right word) somewhat cordia
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Thank you Zeuszor...some beautiful lyrics there....and here is another "hymn" like number, from none other than Yusuf Islam....
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(Oh dear...if it's Kevin!......I may have to be slightly more diplomatic in future then....) More's the pity that Roberts, Anthony and McKay can "roam" the world freely (even if circumspectly)....incarceration would far better "become" them. No doubt the next generation of "Roberts", "Anthonys" and "McKays" are unhatching from the
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(Oh God....I hope it's not Nick...I usually am rather abrasive in response to Amused's postings....Nick has contributed a great deal in my opinion to the unravelling of the McKay empire....I thought it might have been one of the "graduates"...Fran or Alf, say, in increasingly desperate denial) The other "dead ringer" for McKay in my opinion was Rael (remember him?
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In relation to McKay keeping a "low profile"....six foot under, would personally suit me.... ....however I'd otherwise agree with you Stoic that this sadistic exploiter is primarily off-line, because he is so readily shown up to be the fraud that he is! Accomplice Zoe's efforts in initiating the thread, only served to discredit him, the more McKay "involved" hi
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Thank you for the melody there, Stoic....(and the message in the lyrics!) McKay's physical location, I see to be a little irrelevant....(he could be "bedded down" in a morgue for all I care).... the end of his reign (no further recruitment and successive departures of those in his "flock)....I'd call a victory! The other "lowlifes" that Zeuszor has listed.
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The principal difficultly to my mind, would be locate anyone who both falls within a "statute of limitations" timeframe and who would be interested in litigation....it takes years to recover your own "psyche" (i.e. one continues to hope beyond hope, that it's all somehow true, despite whatever "personal fall-outs" one may have had with McKay)... ...we really
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Sisi has been in touch a couple of times previously by email. I'll pass on your regards. This is the site for the "Mission Interministerielle de viligance et de lutte contre les derives sectaires" (Inter-ministerial mission of vigilance and combat against sectarian aberrations) which gave(and I pray continues to give!) the Scientologists, such a scare....I'm unsure if such
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No news is good news....at least from my perspective....David still silent on his forum! (....and let the old twit, so go to his death!) The "news" will never come to us....we'd need to go find it out! The fate of the Graduates, deserves some interest (far more than McKays fate!) (Was Guildford affected by the recent riots?.....I presume that they have at least kept their pos
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That was a gentleman from Ireland, if I remember correctly Apollo....nothing more was heard of him as far as I know (no doubt one of the "litnessing teams" from the UK went to the trouble of visiting him.....)....I don't think it was Alan (who's not Irish, is he?) I do agree with you, that at that late stage of life, once you've put all your "eggs" in McKay&#
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Thanks to you both then....Oerlikon for finding it in the first place, ...and you, Zueszor, for being kind enough to locate Oerlikons' link for me....! Allan may well have coughed up thousands for McKay....that would comprise a "major asset" to my mind.....however at anytime, any individual left the JC's, they were generally isolated, from support (...and of course, continu
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An interesting precedent from 2002 in the New South Wales Supreme Court..... See the "catchwords", CATCHWORDS: FRAUD AND MISREPRESENTATION AND UNDUE INFLUENCE - undue influence - religious advisor, person in position of trust and confidence - the plaintiff claimed remedies against her donation of farm to incorporated association representing Hare Krishna Movement - farm la
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Forgive me Zeuszor, but would you mind re-posting the National Geographic clip (2009?) of the media whore McKays "hamming it up"....as Freegans.... David really ought to have really explained to National Geographic that in addition to his newly discovered "Freegan" principles, he also owns and operates his own small business of 20 indentured labourers, working full time on
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Oh...well Alan would be the oldest by a long shot then, wouldn't he....a decade older than Ross, and perhaps five years younger than McKay....his story would be an interesting one then....I presume that he was "single" (never married/widowed/separated/divorced) at the time of recruitment....?
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Some...unusual delay..a blank screen... and I'm then (wrongly) assuming "non receipt" of message.....do we need to resume the conversation in a "thinner" thread?
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It will be Reinhart who is responsible, unfortunately, if anyone ever thinks to investigate. It is his responsibility, as an adult, to observe the terms of his compensation payout, and the court is unlikley to accept a passing of the buck to the Apostle, although the cash was most likely passed rapidly to him. The Apostle, doubtless, is aware of this. He is not a scheming, devious, wanker ext
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It will be Reinhart who is responsible, unfortunately, if anyone ever thinks to investigate. It is his responsibility, as an adult, to observe the terms of his compensation payout, and the court is unlikley to accept a passing of the buck to the Apostle, although the cash was most likely passed rapidly to him. The Apostle, doubtless, is aware of this. He is not a scheming, devious, wanker ext
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Whoops...sorry! On another computer altogether earlier today.....couldn't understand what the delay in posting them was...and assumed that they had been "lost" in the translation. My apologies....
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I wasn't, for example, able to get this up for some reason.....despite several attempts Dear Apollo, I have had my suspicions for some time, that the money Trevor forsook to McKay would have seriously contributed to the Cruise...(however PM on this...I will outline why).... Reinehardts compensation, as I may recall (forgive me if I am NOT as efficient as Zeuszor in naming my sou
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Have we run out of "room" on the principal thread?
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Dear Apollo, I have had my suspicions for some time, that the money Trevor forsook to McKay would have seriously contributed to the Cruise...(however PM on this...I will outline why).... Reinehardts compensation, as I may recall (forgive me if I am NOT as efficient as Zeuszor in naming my sources so promptly...again feel free to PM me, here) was granted, I understand, on the condition that
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Dear Zeuszor, Thank you for posting those informative clippings, once again!
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Dear Apollo, I have had my suspicions for some time, that the money Trevor forsook to McKay would have seriously contributed to the Cruise...(however PM on this...I will outline why).... Reinehardts compensation, as I may recall (forgive me if I am NOT as efficient as Zeuszor in naming my sources so promptly...again feel free to PM me, here) was granted, I understand, on the condition that
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Dear Apollo, I have had my suspicions for some time, that the money Trevor forsook to McKay would have seriously contributed to the Cruise...(however PM on this...I will outline why).... Reinehardts compensation, as I may recall (forgive me if I am NOT as efficient as Zeuszor in naming my sources so promptly...again feel free to PM me, here) was granted, I understand, on the condition that
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