Thank you, Zeuszor! Do you think that there would have been enough time, or even the inclination, for David to filch anything significant from the Twelve Tribes? I can't see anything from the Twelve Tribes that appears to have superceded any of the material Mckay purloined from Berg. I agree with your analysis of David's likely fetish for old "haunts" of his...Stoic... (
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I'm also interested to source where McKay has progressively covertly stolen his "theology" and operating methodology from.... (Most of his life, being plagiarizing the efforts of others, and then peddling the same, as his own...) Billy Graham (a childhood idol....revered by McKay simply for the "power" he wielded, rather than anything he actually said) COG's
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Joe's "communication" with his family was IMO nothing more than part of McKays policy of "tormenting" those who "cross him"......(There was never any genuine "Joe" in the poisonous bile, put into print there....only the sick mind of "cult Joe")..... I suspect, that Joe has probably now been instructed to discontinue "communicating"
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Touche, Stoic! Absolutely the "dialogue" with Glenn is a farce....McKay simply ignoring any occasion when Glenn astutely shows him up....and then dishonestly pretending that topic never as much as existed....utter duplicity! (One "advantage" of being criminally insane....is that you can never "lose" an argument or be "disproven"....) ....a small, compens
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Jimmi Hendrix AND the Rolling Stones......! You ARE such a untamed rebel at heart Stoic....!! Sadly, I can only lamely offer, a far less "colorful" and much more mellow melody... ....perhaps a sorry reflection of the supine nature, accompanying my advancing years!!
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Dear Stoic, Thank you for the information about Alice Miiller.....I haven't heard of her previously....I need to become better "read" (her equating "sexual abuse" to a spanking though, surely just does no more than hankers back to Dr Spocks.....and I must say is a grossly overstated yet "politically correct" assertion that I find to be a nonsense.....I can t
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Thank you Stoic, a very interesting read...I'm not strongly persuaded by Freud....hence the "inner child" vulnerabilty, fails to convince me....but otherwise yes....very insightful....the gentleman has some pertinent observations to make..! ..if I may briefly, turn aside, to look into (what little is left of )the mind of a self important despot The "Apostle" speaks.
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I do not personally feel greatly "taken aback" by Glenn's observations that the ATF response may also be called into question.....the "evidence" (dead burnt bodies, a number of them children) would possibly hint that the situation indeed escalated out of control....even if, as Apollo rightly observes, Koresh and his followers have immediate responsibility... however in r
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The reason that I am even AWARE of the verses in question here, (Deuteronomy 13:1 - 11) is precisely because David John McKay bluntly informed me of them himself in 1982, in as "legalistic" fashion as one might be reasonably capable of, and hence where the God forsaken hypocrite states: In conclusion, I have not been able to locate the passage where Jews were instructed to stone fals
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Your success in your studies, is clearly a result of the quality of devoted effort you have put into them.....well done, Zeuszor!
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We really only appear to be witnessing the Gianstefani's at the Catholic Worker demonstrations, don't we? Whether or not, one agree's with the demonstrations....(I haven't grasped why Assange simply doesn't return to Sweden and contest the charges)...the participation here, is IMO, partly "therapeutic" for the Gianstefani's.....they are learning that the
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I see that the good Majorie Sykes has actually passed away now....I didn't realize that she was so famous....unlike McKay, she spent absolutely no time at all, trying to "awe" those she met, with "all" that she had done....
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A clear case of misrepresentation by Dave McKay and his group, in my opinion, to gain access to unknowing recruits by borrowing the legitimacy and good reputation of the Quakers. I wondered if the original benefactor was aware of the real sentiments of the JC's in Kenya and the purposes to which her generous gift was being put. Many, MANY years ago...I visited the Friends Rural Cent
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I regret the "passing" of Blackhat from this forum. It's a shame to see how problems have "snowballed" to this point......
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A situational trap? Would you mean by that a "false dilemma" of some sort? Say... The Bible states that "the love of money is the root of all evil" and that we must seek "first" the Kingdom of God, hence the vast majority of those in paid employment (unless somehow sanctioned by McKay) are in fact in the unwitting service of Satan and we must necessarily rej
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Thank you Apollo and Zueszor, for your prompt replies! I of course, hate to see how easily McKay can continue to decieve the media, about his own purposely manafactured "bonafides"....makes the "News of the World" debacle more easily understood, I suppose....a decided lack of rigour among purportedly "profesional" journalists....
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What is the date of the video, Zeusor? July 9th this year? (..or last year....?) A great find!!! "Their lives revolve around garbage".....a far truer comment, than the narrator likely imagines! They are freegans on prinicipal? Well....y-e-e-s.... The "principal" being a variation on a theme of the Church Infiltration Strategy of the Children of God. Misprepresent
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It´s difficult for me to judge now, how much I subconciously adopted of McKay...you´d really need to ask someone familiar with me prior to recruitment...and who was also then able to observe me over the years I was active with the "Christians" (as we were then).... I was generally regarded I think as a "nuisance" (unreliable, often requiring uneccesary explanations and so on)
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Yes I agree with you Zeuszor, that the basic theme is simply obediance to Dave and his teachings.... The "visible fruit" to my mind is that McKay has defrauded approximately 100 individuals over the span of many years into spending the days of their lives, doing nothing other than "selling" his ghastly, self promoting written work (once he has first connived them into pool
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Trevor was recruited in early 2010 wasn´t he....McKay started to mention him publically towards the middle of the year I thought (must have had the poor lad´s money under lock and key by then!)... It WAS a l-o-n-g time between Joe Johnson and Trevor Brown....McKay must have been aware that the "magic" was now starting to disappear..... Casey is back in the "public eye"?.
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Your observations on Casey are of interest Zeuszor... We of course, have the names now of most of the members down the years...I wonder what the average recruitment age would calculate out, to be?....I suspect somewhere in the mid twenties... Raymond Sippel would have been the eldest member ever(at time of recruitment!) I believe...although Reinehardt too was fairly "senior" a
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"Will our bad body odour keep you from entering into the Kingdom?" ...the arrogance here, is sad evidence of Casey psychologically "assimilating" the values of McKay....(who would think himself entitled to rudely point out to those who failed the "faith" (i.e. they did not turn over all that they owned to McKay Inc. and submit themselves to "Godly servitude¨
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This content has been posted previously, however, I thought I'd put it up once more, seeing how David yet again, went to the trouble of reminding me how accurately it describes him, when he posted this: Quote: Dave I'm going to make one more attempt at communicating a plea for some common sense on the X site. I've tried just about everything I can think of, without much su
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Dear Blackhat, May I ask, where you are quoting Casey from? (His website or another forum?) Pardon me for being so rudely ignorant....am on "sabbatical" due to some pressing matters.
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Dear Apollo, Thank you very much, for pointing out the glaring contradictions in McKay's miserable fabrications..."trains" or "train stations" indeed...the old coot clearly would barely have a clue, as much as he likes to pass himself off as an "imposing figure of authority"....the children would have obviously "paid" for any literature with sexual
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In evaluating the "mental health" of McKay, .....the quality of his lies, inform us of how dimly "conscious" (or not!), he remains of any reality external to him. To quote (thank you Apollo) Of course, even if they were successful in getting yet another Christian charity shut down, WE would just go somewhere else and try to help people, since the world is full of peo
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I would still credit Casey for the effort he has gone to here, Apollo......psychologically he needs to find a "world" outside of the universe, McKay has entrapped him in......such efforts as we see here, would only help him (and the other JC's) in any process of recovery from McKay....I applaud Casey for what he has started. (McKay would never do it...unless he had a camera film
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Zoe. of course, is always free to join the "cause" that she champions.....the fact that she HASN'T...(presumably lacks the guts to do so, while hypocritically criticizing those who have)..."says" a lot more about her and the "nice vibes" she claims the current JC's give her....than whatever she may bleat... (It would be a suitably miserable "end&quo
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Glenn has tried to "communicate" with McKay....I don't think that can be really held against him. McKay can be "cloying sweet" when he has a mind to (...i.e. he needs you for some reason).....that may be all that Glenn and Zoe have experienced of the man....their impressions are understandable(if, I would continue to argue, possibly a little shallow.....) Zoe has been
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David, to my mind, is "telling" us that he perceives himself (and probably accurately perceives himself) to be in a "weak position".... He has had to stoop to "re-engaging" with Zoe (as clearly none of the former JC's would assist him manage the Wikipage or the JC site, both tasks well beyond David's feeble abilities).....Were David to consider himself
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