I’ve brazenly “borrowed” a few recent contributions from our web neighbours “Krishna group in Hawai” It’s amazing how relevant a lot of the comments remain if you just replace the words “Chris Butler” with “David McKay”…… (Perhaps then, Chris could serve as another comparable person, Ash???) I supose once a rat, always a rat. Only money and loyal followers makes em a bigger rat. (Dass
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Dear Ash, In relation to my distasteful comparison of Mckay with Cho, I note: Neither of them have any external “perspective” on themselves or their behaviour: Chos’ videoed message was of course intended be just another “shot” at the audience, full of suggestions, that responsibility for his behaviour lay elsewhere (in an attempt to engender guilt and remorse among his peers)….deliber
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DAVID Haters? Is this a new strategy on the part of the Jesus Christians to make such outlandish and ludicrous accustations that their critics will be laughing so hard that they'll fall our of their chairs and injure themsleves... A David hater.....you neglected to mention that I'm also a Mugabe hater and a Pinochet hater and a Hitler hater and.....(the list goes on....!!) Davi
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Dear Ash, (Again, I thank you for at least continuing to communciate....does David know what you are doing?) "twas little I that made those completely uncalled for and fiendish comparisons with Dave and Cho (and Dave and Dracula or Dave and the Werewolf......very hackneyed, I do apologize, I've certainly lowered my standards there, but I just couldn't remember the name of the
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Dear Ash, Again you have had the gumption to post here in a “hostile” environment, so I thank you for the trouble you have taken. Naturally, as everyone on this site has “been there and done that” in relation to your current engagement with the Jesus Christians, there gets to be a “world weariness” to the criticisms aired. While you need to do, what you genuinely believe God to be asking of y
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Dear Friend Craig, The wounds are still fresh for many on this forum (even while David is busy creating more wounds elsewhere) so you’ll have to exercise a little of the understanding I know that you'll have as a Quaker. I apologize if I was a little abrupt in my previous response to you. As the Moderator has pointed out in several of his postings, those who either engage in criticism
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Dear Craig, I occasionally attend the Quaker meetings in Seoul , (and I first went to a Quaker meeting long before David ever decided that it was “politically expedient” for him to do so). Probably I will take my child to attend the local meeting, once she is old enough to be able engage with the other children there, as I much prefer the Quaker approach to spirituality compared to what else i
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I think, following on from the good point that Gladitzover has made here .....that the bag of tricks is running low on gimmicks, and that what we are repeatedly seeing are the same old lies (almost word for word!) recycled with each new episode of deceit to ensnare the next new disciple...and this emphasizes how important that it is that we all be jointly available on this site and elsewhere, to
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Dear Cait, The letter from David you mention is of interest....he must still consider you and your husband "reedemable".......(ie. at some point he will need you for something and hence doesn't want to burn his bridges with you yet)...because he is still at least going to the effort of lying "sweetly" to you. (...so you can feel complimented???)....The ploy to make y
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If must be pleasant "reading" for David to see how quiet this site is if at the moment but that’s of course because everyone is so busy at other locations seeking to unmask Davids predations...... (Again I will get around to looking over your site more regularly in the future, David once the World Cup is over, that is....Aconite!! Hmmm so that’s how they killed Wololmer ....now that&
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Hmm….well David is partly right that I have been fairly quiet over the past twenty years (He ignores the occasional letter that I have written warning him that’s he’s on a fast track to hell….but anyway!)…I can only excuse myself that once someone leaves the Jesus Christians, there’s a lot of incentive to just try to forget as much of the experience as one can manage to.…but God willing the oppor
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Dear Zeusor, The matter has been continued until the 20th April (i.e. today), and I'm sure is something that that Joes' family would appreciate your prayers over. The case has been subject to one "continuation" after another...for some months now. I'm not sure if this is Davids' strategy to "wear down" the Johnsons into an out of court settlement, or no
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Dear Dogmother, It'll all fall to pieces at some point of course because David really wants bodies and money in the JesusChristians not in the Quakers, and once there is "something serious for the taking" the Quakers will be getting the old "heave ho"! .....but because at the moment he needs to least pretend that he believes in their wider values, I think any half inte
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Dear Gladitzover, I remember being duped by the arrogance of it all (We have the "truth", no-one else "lives by faith" as we do, and so we don't really need to verify anythings that Davids' doing or saying...because the ciriticism of him by others is only motivated by their "rebellion against God") when I was part of the Jesus Christians, so I harbour a
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Dear Hello, Again, this type of dishonesty (deliberately misrepresentating people and any they statements they made) started to appear (im writing) decades ago in the first "newsletters" they produced....someone might write in and the letter was then "edited" to produced something that could more easily be riduculed (...to bring this to David's attention was to ask for
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....the moderator has indeed been seduced by David's charms...indicated by her statements that she is loathe to facilitate the "crusade" against him. (Yes Ms Moderator, it's a crusade against someone who would have already privately belittled you on numerous occasions to date, and who has been documented many times, deliberately trampling on all or any of the "Christia
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Dear Cultmalleous and Apostate, On one of the numerous times I was in the "sin bin" (and hence had to spend time to prayerfully find out what was wrong with ME!) during the last couple of years in the Jesus Christians, I went to the Sydney Library and read a couple of Gandhi's works! (Gandhi of course being honest enough to acknowledges his sources)... it was surprisin
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Dear Hello, I agree with Apostate, that in some jundamental sense, the "rottenness" must have always been there, but in terms of the practises of the Jesus Christians, I think that they have been becoming steadily worse with time(here I measure them across a couple of decades), particularly as David has been forced to even more blatantly blaspheme the Spirit of God (thus committing w
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Poor Ash, He's badly deluded if he can genuinely try to "console" sWord and Cait with some..."it was worse for David.." fantasy. God knows how they did it, but both Kevin and Sherry somehow had both the wisdom to be able to see through their father as well as the courage to be able to stand up to him....Davids personal treachery was directly responsible for their decis
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Omigosh....Where am I? Oh...thats right!...back to normality. It's okay folks, once I've had my shot of Imipramine and taken another pack of Prozac, Zuul and company are back "under wraps" (albeit temporarily!) Now getting back to where I was.... It's somehow sad to see how easily and clearly, Apostate can point out the gravely selfish practises possible under the t
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Dear forum and observers, It pains me to reflect on the needless anguish many of the Jesus Christians are regularly being put through (Here, I note the pitiable plight of “Bazza” in his nightly torment), lying awake in fright from one evening to the next, cowering under their blankets, pulling yet another bed sheet over their heads and clinging ever more tightly to their teddies, as they lie h
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Completely "by accident" of course I received this email (direct from the Man himself and not the general site) after I posted a message on the Forum, (in response to an article Matilda provided) asserting that we should keep our faith that Gods' hand was behind those things we did in all sincerity while in the Jesus Christians....in particular I was thinking of the Walk across the
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(Ergo)...and for THREE WHOLE DAYS, David has been psychotically combing this forum, drooling over his keyboard with dilated pupils, with shaking hands, awaiting the "next posting" to then pounce on and then display his all-knowing acumen by "shredding" the author to pieces, in the confines of his lair..... When will this conceited nobody "get a life" outside of
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This posting pertains to a theoretical discussion underway elsewhere but I post it here for any general interest it may hold… If I were “Prime Minister” and were in a position to enact any laws as I saw fit, how might I tackle the JCs legally? I don’t’ think that I’d want to follow Putin down his path of the covert regulation of “civil society” (non-government organizations must now seek a
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Oh My.....David has wished me "love and peace" (not exactly what I usually hear, but anyway).....thank you for the kind wishes David, My wife Cathy and I were thrilled by the recent arrival of our daughter, Oliva (our first child). I am employed as an English teacher here in Korea, although as I almost have full residency now, I am slowly drifiting into what might best be described as &
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Dear Matilda and AWebster, You may also find David's daughter Christine (the only one of his four children to have remained "under the thumb" and currently in Kenya long with husband Robin Dunn and the Gianstefanis I believe) also contributing to the Australian Quaker Forum at the present time ("Christine from Kenya" registered this February). The saccharine contri
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(Nice effort Apostate!! Very comprehensive!!) Dear Ash, We have never met (although you would have already heard me mocked often enough in the JC), nor have I ever met your parents (but naturally enough, I have a sneaking sympathy towards them as an "ex-member") could you explain why David was so keen on the "kidney donations" and not interested at all in something so si
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Dear Muppet, At the time I was in the Christians (81-5) it was called the SEVEN ways to know Gods Will (The Word, quickened Word, Revelation, Counsel, Circumstances, Desires and Signs) and had been lifted directly from the COG's I believe (?). In his inimitable way, I guess David has felt obliged to "leave his stamp" and "improve" the original and from his "apo
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...their actions ARE their "beliefs" encapsulated!!
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Dear Josh, It's a relief to hear that you are not intending to join the JC's. That wasn't always clear from your postings As I commented earlier, ( and which you may remember) I recommended that you read their literature and form your own views....certainly there are a number of observations therein about wider issues that are worth serious consideration. As I also said earlier
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