Fran, The "autonomous groups" sounds a lot better than the "central command" structure that I was part of...there appear to have been some new "operational practices" put into effect since I was part of the Christians (....however Muppet has advised me, that in her opinion, these were just "window dressing" exercises...do you have a comment on that?) Of
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My "candidate" shoots himself in the foot! (..or in the groin??) Having just nominated Ross as my favourite "non-Dave" leader, it's dissapointing to see what appears little more than closet voyeurism in one of his postings....but isn't that what the Sex Issue forum is intended to be. Ross may be no more worse than the other people who post there, and possibly a li
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Dear Josh, I apologize for the delay in replying to you....(just getting more and more sidetracked in that illusory world of "meatspace"!)....hmm Daveless JC's??? I'd have to agree with Matilda...that the key issue must be the teachings and practices of the JC's more than any of the actual personalities involved. Apostate and several others have listed numerous con
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Dear Josh, To return to a question you asked me (some pages back now...!), about Christ wielding a "Iron Scepter" in his future dominion. I am not a "peace activist" in any sense of the word, and probably remain unfashionably "traditional" in my interpretation of the scriptures (e.g. neither "male" or "females" pronouns are actually adequate to
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Dear Porky B, (and Josh) You ask why I recommend Josh look at the Jesus Christians teachings, but don’t recommend their site in general….Where the Jesus Christians look directly at scriptures, I think they have a refreshingly honest approach to the Bible (be it derived from the COG’s or not) that challenges the sincere in their faith…..however once you move beyond direct scripture the deceit q
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Dear Fran, Others who know you have spoken positively of you here, and you've had the gumption to continue to contribute to this post, which makes you a cut above the avearge JC....(hence assuming you haven't become one of the "soul-dead" long termers in the JC's...i.e one of David's "spiritual zombies")...perhaps you could be so kind as to explain this
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Dear Josh, Welcome to the site! In response to your enquiry as to why say Ross, Roland or Robin, remain in the JesusChristians while I ultimately left the organization, (and of course you should ask them their opinions, as well directly) I'd say the key difference is that they are prepared to accept directives from David McKay (in policy and direct instruction) which they consider to be b
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Dear David, Thank you for reminding me.....Refugees frequently become refugees because of the wickedness of repressive regimes that attack the wider rights of others to engage in the "pusuit of life, liberty and happiness"...it was always farcial that you in were in anyway able to pretend to "champion" the rights of the downtrodden and the oppressed (given that you have alw
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No David, Craig Hendry, whoever he was, did not work for the members of the Jesus Christians while in India, he worked for God, the very God you instruct all your members to state they are "working for" when asked about sources of income or oganizational structure....and those who collected revenue, from the "litnessing" efforts at the time, did not support Craig in his wor
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Dear Fran, It is of course a pleasure to hear directly from members of the Jesus Christians....'twas little ol' I that suggested members of the JCs are not free to either peruse or to contribute to this site....I am pleased to be corrected. No doubt we will hear more from you... Does this also mean that the JC's value the wider freedoms of Speech, Association and Movement and
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King Tut made mention of one matter that I thought deserved comment. Reinhardts injuries....of course they are deplorable. It's with regret that I note the injury suffered by Reinhardt, while at the same time I think I can "understand" what would have caused the reaction responsible for them. As stated many times on this site (and never repeated by David McKay on the JC website,
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The same author who states that Dogmother has been responsible for "hate and vile sewerage" on this forum then wants me to feel somehow mortified by the "injury" I have caused by throwing the accusation back at him...??? At first I was a little puzzled by how anyone could be genuinely misled by the patent narcissism and sanctimonious bluster on the JC's site.....but no
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Dear Apostate, Yes it's frightening to think that upon "suitable direction" from "above" none of the other members of the Jesus Christians now choose to visit this site, given that the "dark Sith Lord" (a nice allegory of yours from a distant posting !!) has been banished to the nether regions of cyber space.....(although perhaps even if any individual member
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Dear Matilda, I realize that in some respects all these activities became "fronts" for David, however the "Free Community Work", the programs in India and even possibly the some of the work in Kenya today are, or were, all worthwhile programs that the JC's have, or even are, still involved in. Eventually those who are genuine with God and themselves, obviously end u
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Dear King Tut, I am also happy to meet up with you in Melbourne around the middle of the year although it may not be a very pleasant meeting. It's difficult to take you seriously...are you simply gullible? Or has David prompted you to become a new "front" for him.....? ( ...I can't tell if its' head man or head job here????) Hey look haven't you heard? I�
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Dear Apostate, Hmm...I didn't mind the "pizza parable" that much (if we can ignore the pyschotic fixtation on the over riding subliminal message that...."no-one can manage without me", for a minute!)....I enjoy Davids' writing when he is able to temporarily resume "normality" and I can think of worse efforts. That was a good idea Dogmother. Meeting
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Dear Apostate, I think you have captured it all rather succinctly in your comment about David's "need to be right"...it does appear to border on the pathological, doesn't it (...sorry should I simply say that it IS pathological!....) but I think that David has progressively, if at the same time willingly, painted himself into a corner here.....How could he now admit to be w
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Dear Dogmother, I doubt that I am of any more "caliber" than any of the other people who post on this site...all of us would have had ideals we were seeking to realize by becoming part of the Jesus Christians....having such ideals in the first place would probably be my definition of "caliber" and I am certainly not unusual in that respect..... I did want to comment on a
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Dear Matilda, I applaud for your efforts on the JC's site and the very fact that David sees fit to attack (who he thinks is) you, bears testimony to the quality of your efforts here. (While I don't actually know who you are Matilda, if I were to lay some "red herrings" I wonder if it would be possible to tempt David to ridicule himself.....hmm!)...AHEM...again I thank you
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Dear Zeusor, Daivds' latest attempt to formally "avoid answering your question" in writing, has no doubt been posted as he has felt the need to at least "keep up appearances" by seeming to address the issues you have raised....well done, Zeusor. The reasons for becoming an "ex-member"....? As Apostate has already so aptly remarked the "list could g
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Dear Zeusor, Thank you for your recent veritable "Ph'D" contribution in relation to the Jesus Christians....I am in awe that you (and Apostate!) can actually stomach reading through the gut churning self-indulgent disinformation on the JC's forum...but thank you for going to the trouble of doing so.....they have obviously become the "anti-thesis" of the spiritual
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Dear Muppet, The Jesus Christians are drifting into criminality where they "collude" (jointly fabricate history) and so "conspire to pervert the course of justice".... (Aka: the grossly exaggerated "damages" they claim to have suffered as already pointed out by Matilda and Apostate). It is my understanding that testimony from members of organized crime syndi
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Dear Muppet, You remark that apostate's point should be brought to the attention of the court deliberating the matter of the case concerning the Johnsons. How does one contact the court? Besides the defence of provokation and the importance of establishing a case history (the Johnsons I suspect have no previous history of assault occasioning bodily harm" where David has a long est
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Dear Jesus Christians, As you will know hundreds of people have been through the doors of the Jesus Christians over the years and at this point there are some 30 members. I realize that the lie you hear from David is in relation to the "way" being "strait and narrow"....but given that "to a man" (and woman!) everyone who has left the Jesus Christians subsequent
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Dear Moderator, Thank you for speaking to the press (LA Independant) recently in relation to the puerile publicity stunt intended to embarass the Johnsons. I realize that you had to be cautious in what you say...but it was very appreciated. The venal (and patently obvious attempts) to delude the Johnsons into providing a written "confession" (....that could then be used as an "a
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Dear Fran, Before getting down to the details of a reply, could you explain why your own website states that postings "should address the messenger, not the messager" while David Mckay indulges in one "character assination" after the other ("explaining" that the postings from his critics are completely inaccurate and that their substance is purely the result of th
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Dear Apostate, Well...further apologies....this is the first time I've sat down and seriously looked through the postings forums on the JC's forum (which I suggest we nickname "Davidspeak" from now on)......perhaps you know of one....but I could not find a single attempt to address the issues you, or other raised....it was a grim and sad read.....but let me remain on record
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Dear Apostate, I apologize if I was "railroading" discussion with unproven assertions on my part....but you are right I have never bothered to post on JC's forum as others have done...let me try that before making further comment...
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Dear Apostate, Pardon me if I was unclear earlier. I was not advocating a "return to the fold", more that we play the role of "Agent Provocateur". I believe that we have more impact that what we might credit ourselves for. Despite Davids bluster about simply ignoring the embittered souls out to get him, the JC's are quietly watching this site. The policy decisions t
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Dear Matilda, Why so corrupt? Take David out of the Jesus Christians and put him in a church in a suit (where he came from I might add) and he would not be out of place.....and his opinions and behaviour would be tempered by those around him...no doubt you have heard the thought that "a man's vices are his strengths in excess"....David has made some brave and lonely decisions ov
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