Go do a search, select "all dates" and put in key words like nested loops Ericksonian also, do "all dates" and put in The Anticult and also Walter1963 in the author slot. The Anticult tells us the exact methods (put in washing machine and all dates and you get Anticult's analysis of a story about a washing machine as used by a skilled operator) Walter1963 g
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Be very careful when you attend something for a serious, emotionally loaded topic such as autism and they dont start with data but start with a STORY, a grab-em-by-the-tits, grab-em-by-the-balls STORY. And it should be noted that Wakefield has been discredited. Problem is, as one scientist has put it, its so much easier to scare people than to unscare people. QuoteShe’s a compelling
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QuoteSandmanIn this post by Bernard Poolman's daughter, Cerise: http://cerisepoolman.blogspot.com/2011/05/pyramid-scheme-multi-level-marketing.html she says the reason why the Desteni I Process is NOT a pyramid selling scheme is that it is selling a product! Surely she is just saying that as a lame attempt at persuading other Desteni members that everything is okay, they're not
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In this post by Bernard Poolman's daughter, Cerise: http://cerisepoolman.blogspot.com/2011/05/pyramid-scheme-multi-level-marketing.html she says the reason why the Desteni I Process is NOT a pyramid selling scheme is that it is selling a product! Surely she is just saying that as a lame attempt at persuading other Desteni members that everything is okay, they're not doing anyth
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Reading Beelzebub's Tales would also be a good way to induce confusion--which in turn would induce or maintain an already existing trance state. Gurdjieff reportedly practiced early forms of medical hypnosis while still in Russia, treating people for alcoholism and experimenting on them. Gurdjieff told stories about himself and about others. Many stories about himself were resis
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On The Uses of Disgust BK doenst just use cockroaches for her story. Apparently she uses other stuff too. "At September 28, 2010 , (name omitted), M.D. said... What an awesome story. (Not the part about Decibel being scared or doused with Coca Cola, I mean. The part about discovering our wrong assumptions.) I agree with Rose, it IS very human of us to mentally wander into Defending
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Anticult discussed nested look method here. It is my citizens opinion that-- The best thing to do is learn about nested loop story telling trance induction only to protect your agency from undue influence. Know this technique is out there, being used against us, but dont use it yourself. First, it is dehumanizing to treat any person as an object and you will slowly, without realizing it
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JESUS CHRISTIAN NEWSLETTER, #126, AUGUST, 2010 What a month it has been! Touristy sidelights along with some serious distributing and frantic filmwork, a "Christmas in July" musical production, and all the last-minute plans for the arrival of relatives for the "cruise of a lifetime" for our community. Along the way there were a number of crises and close calls as well.
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there seems to be a few people on here who are kind and caring and seem to want to help, and then there are others... 'helpme2times'....you seem to be in the 'others' category. I don't enjoy your attacks. i don't enjoy your quoting me, i don't enjoy my 'name' in 'quotes' and then have an attack or a dig follow. if this is what this foru
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QuotelaurenI have just read through the links re:cults etc. that you mentioned above. Byron Katie is the opposite of these terms mentioned. These terms do not apply to her at all. She is merely helping people to end their suffering. She doesn't do it for them. She shares her experience. She shares what worked for her. Take it or leave it. She doesn't care whether you take it or l
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I found these posts on another site. I wanted to say thanks to Rev Kev and Kevin for adding their thoughts. 2. Written by Kevin, on 12-06-2010 15:02 Tom and Jane Willhite sat right next to Werner Erhard/Jack Rosenberg in Alexander Everett’s Mind Dynamics class in 1971. Mind Dynamics was bought by Holiday Magic owner William Penn Patrick in 1970 to complement his Leadership Dynamics cour
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Hello all! Congrats for taking part in a thread some 6 years old now! I stumbled on this forum when 'seeking' for some background info on the Sedona Method and its leadership. Thank you all for helping. Basically I wanted to find out if all the stuff I had been hearing about Lester and his 'enlightenment' were true under a more critical light. And I am happy to say th
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More psychic predictions realized! There it is, 10 million in 2008, and that is a minimal lowball. And JRI pays James Ray expenses, as predicted. But to who does JRI owe "$5.3 million in liabilities"? It could be to other companies that may be controlled by James Ray indirectly, for example. Where is the money going? asks the auditor. Hopefully they will open up the wash
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Another perverse result of this, is that James Ray will easily be able to spin this to make his followers in this area believe he is still a "wealth expert". Because as stated, the first lesson these guys teach in "wealth" is the alleged ability to 'legally" protect your assets by using various complex financial instruments and asset protection trusts, and who knows
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Hi corboy, In direct reply to your post I'd say that it's reaching a situation where fixed groups are becoming redundant. Wayne Dyer for example doesn't have any sort of membership organisation (as far as I know) but his ideas are very influential because a powerful marketing machine has replaced the need for a formal structure. The same process and techniques that sell washing
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even more interesting, is if one takes an even closer look at the text and the metaphors in the article by Stever Robbins, on that site that appears to be run by Steven Sashen. The basic Story of the article by Stever Robbins, is that if you take your best suit to the CLEANERS, and it gets wrecked by their negligence, then you are supposed to feel HAPPY-JOY-JOY about this, as opposed to se
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Meadow is right on the money. There is so much information there, it will take a lot of time to go over all of it. Notice the embedded commands right in their advertising blurbs, and how the Byron Katie Story is told in the images. Byron Katie did do some stuff for cheaper or even "free" for a while, that is to build things up. Every group like this offers some stuff for "free
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Welcome, 'jchpiper' You shared something of yourself here by mentioning your ability to recognize when youve been the binder. 1) It is rare to see respectful non-coercive use of power being modelled in this society. We tend to learn from witnessing and experiencing what our parents and adult care providers did for us or to us. Recognizing one doesnt want to behave this way is th
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also, it would be wise to make a copy of any important information from the Wayback Machine...as the Wayback Machine will become yet another internet scrubbing BK Washing Machine.
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that link above, really shows how incredibly powerful these thought-reform systems can be. Just think, being able to design a thought-reform system, that can colonize a person's entire language system, their thought patterns, their emotional disconnect, their entire identity. Of course, not everyone goes into it that deeply. Only people who have that certain vulnerability for a particul
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(transfered post from the thread) Byron Katie and "The Work" Participant Reports In other areas, its been stated this board/thread is probably too blunt for most BK people. (but many of them read it in secret! They ALL read Janakis blog, for example...) ;-) It might work better as a WARNING to people beforehand, before its too late. To plant a seed in the mind, and if they
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Hi Christa, The point you make is very important. "It's a shrewd, subtle bit of marketing that points to a great deal of ego inflation and a propensity for risk-taking". B-i-n-g-o and Bingo was his name-o. Its no accident that they made it sound like Byron Katie appeared at Harvard, that is the type of tricky advertising they do all the time. BK always tries to make it
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Introduction: Who wrote this and who is it written for? This is a "Beginners Guide" to the Brahma Kumaris. A simple, plain English but comprehensive introduction to the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University; its beliefs, lifestyle and mode of operation. Everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask, in neat bite sized pieces without the requirement of specialist knowl
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Introduction: Who wrote this and who is it written for? This is a "Beginners Guide" to the Brahma Kumaris. A simple, plain English but comprehensive introduction to the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University; its beliefs, lifestyle and mode of operation. Everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask, in neat bite sized pieces without the requirement of specialist knowl
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Yes, its very ironic. Byron Katie always hold all the cards, all the power. Its all one-sided, and no matter what happens, everything is 100% your fault, never hers. So no one even knows what the hell is going on in this so-called Byron Katie Turnaround House. Its all secret. Where is the oversight? And how can she operate a Turnaround House, which sounds like a treatment center, when she is
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No wonder they suppressed the book, A Cry In The Desert. It tells a different Story. For example, on page 26 of the book, the writer states that Byron Katie learned meditation from the therapists at the halfway house. That is a new one. Which therapists taught Byron Katie how to meditate? The book mentions that her husband Paul and daughter Roxann were there, so maybe they will know? But
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recently read some info about what are called "Nested Loops", which are used in this type of hypnosis that was coined by Richard Bandler and relates to the hypnotherapy of Milton Erickson. Byron Katie uses these techniques as well. These are basically stories within stories, sometimes 5 stories at once, that can set up a symbol/metaphor system, and in the confusion they create, serv
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Troll Count as of September 8th 2008 Daphne, Anticultist, ralpher, Randomstu, prsp (or something like that) Ex Scientology Kid, cultcity and Idunno. As in people who really invested serious effort on the BK thread. And..Idunno wanted us to treat him or her as an individual. That reads strangely from someone who adores a leader who processes everyone through the same method and doesn
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(excerpt) The Raëlian Files: Sex, Clones and UFOs www.culteducation.com/reference/raelians/raelians93.html ... Raël also enjoys posing for photographs with his nubile, topless disciples. The group's literature features pictures of nude women who appear to be in the midst of ogasmic throes. Raël details the origins of his free-love philosophy in his book. After meeting his fellow pr
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I read somewhere that Byron Katie was successfully treated for the Fuch's Dystrophy. I've found some mention of it here: [Newsletter from Dec. 2005] QuotecorboyThat washing machine story is very odd. I dont know how to do what Anticult does, but will offer my two cents: What kind of washing machine takes 3 hours to go through a spin cycle? And..what is the actual likelihood
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